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News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time

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txgrn

03-09-2006 15:12:27




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With>Link slobs like this flappin their yap, with all to see, it's no wonder we are wallowing in our current problems. Every time someone tries to dig us out of the ditch, pigs like this push them right back in.

Tried to locate this slob to no avail. If YOU can, tell him to contact me. I'd be happy to have a very serious face to face conversation with him about his irresponsible use of the news media. When we are done, he may choose to seek a different method of having himself employed.

Mark

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Nat 2

03-10-2006 06:14:34




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
Man, I don't know what you people are getting all excited about with that article... Straight-up facts, no bias whatsoever.

"We're going to have lots of biodiesel," is what I took away from the article. What's so bad about that?

The concept of biodiesel and ethanol as short-term measures to stretch what's left of the oil supply on this planet, while new technology is developed, is a GREAT idea. It's especially great if we can use what otherwise would end up being dumped in landfills, rivers, lakes, etc..

Restaurants and food processing plants throw away millions and millions and millions of gallons of the raw material to make biodiesel and ethanol every year.

What is bad about the article is not the article itself, but what the article is describing: Plants SPECIFICALLY built to make biodiesel. They're just going to take virgin oil-producing seed, squeeze it to get the oil, then throw the rest away!

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barnrat

03-10-2006 04:46:34




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
I believe that bio diesel will be part of the energy solution for the future. For now remember that oil companies and their stock holders make money when oil goes up, and as long as that is the case alternative fuels will never have a major impact. My neighbor makes and runs his whole farm off homemade biodiesel. I'm thinking about doing that myself. I could get my entire years supply of diesel fuel(1300 gal) from 12 acres of canola.

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Chuck MI

03-10-2006 04:26:36




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
If all the truck drivers, farmers, and construction and mining operations switched to Biodiesel, it would allow all the idiots driving oversized SUV and pickup trucks to purchase gasoline more economically ;)



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bo

03-09-2006 19:04:51




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
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Long term consequences of population growth..Graph reads that in about 60 years, there will be less then 1 acre of food producing land per person. You still think biodiesel is a long term viable product?



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dhermesc

03-10-2006 05:38:09




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 19:04:51  
Wow, such pretty colors. Worth about the band width it took to send it.



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dhermesc

03-10-2006 06:00:02




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to dhermesc, 03-10-2006 05:38:09  
The population growth rate in the US is a negative among current citizens, the only growth in population comes from immigrants - legal and otherwise. The average woman in the US is expected to have 1.8 children, to even maintain the current population the number must be 2. >Link


The>Link US population is mostly static, while other "Western" countries are actually in decline. The same graph (if accurate) in Europe would show the greatest DEPOPULATION since the Black Plague in the Middle Ages. Japan and China are looking at the same issue.

Why do you think there is so much concern for Social Security? The number of YOUNG PEOPLE are declining as a percentage of population. To sustain the growth numbers your non-sourced graph shows the Baby Boom would have had to continue through the current day for the next 60 years, when it actually ended in the early 60s.

As for Bio diesel, who said it had to replace all existing diesel? If it only knocked off 20% of domestic usage it would reduce imports by nearly half. Sounds like a winner.

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bo

03-10-2006 09:03:35




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to dhermesc, 03-10-2006 06:00:02  
while we're on the topic...from your source...
http://www.npg.org/facts/us_pop_projections.htm



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bo

03-10-2006 08:16:18




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to dhermesc, 03-10-2006 06:00:02  
Tsk tsk..population growth is not "negative" nor "static".

Population growth rate: 0.92% (2005 est.) Birth rate: 14.14 births/1,000 population (2005 est.) Death rate: 8.25 deaths/1,000 population (2005 est.)

The fastest growing population in the US is the hispanics.

The graph is accurate.

Read the posts, I said that bio diesel will help in easing the shortages.

Do your research.

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bo

03-10-2006 05:56:39




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to dhermesc, 03-10-2006 05:38:09  
Yeh you're right, some things are just wasted on some people.



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dhermesc

03-10-2006 06:03:44




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 Re: Do you work for the Green Peace or the UN? in reply to bo, 03-10-2006 05:56:39  
Agreed, not everyone believes every lie told to them just because it’s present stylishly.



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bo

03-10-2006 08:19:35




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 Re: Do you work for the Green Peace or the UN? in reply to dhermesc, 03-10-2006 06:03:44  
Cheap shot. Those kinds of shots...about Greenpeace or the UN, generally come on the losing end of an arguement. Reduction to personalities is a sign of desperation.

Either way, I don't work for them and I gave you the straight facts which you refuse to accept. Ok, you're entitled.



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MarkB_MI

03-09-2006 18:55:46




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
Mark,

What is it in the article that you disagree with?

I read it, and I didn't see anything particularly controversial. The essence of the article is that with all the new biodiesel production coming on line, capacity could exceed demand. If so, doesn't that mean lower fuel prices for everybody?



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CLW

03-09-2006 19:42:42




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to MarkB_MI, 03-09-2006 18:55:46  
Mark, you are correct. bo, txgrn and others,I am not speaking against bio-diesel. The more we have the better off we are as far as helping farmers and being less dependent on overseas oil. I am only replying to what this person wrote and why he wrote it. It is not an artical that is in any place but business news sections. Lets for a moment change the fuel from bio-diesel to gas. I own some stock in Exxon. A few month ago when gas was high I stayed out of the fights becouse I agree gas went to high to fast but on the other hand I only used about $70 a month (I'm retired) in gas. At the same time I made about $600 a week (on paper) from the stock. As the prices now go down I lose money (on paper). Mark, yes it would mean lower fuel prices for everybody. It would also mean that those that had stock would sell it at a loss and after a while the companys would go belly up becouse there was no demand for there stock. Cheap fuel, no profit, means out of business and no more bio-diesel. CLW

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CLW

03-09-2006 18:49:12




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
Guys, this is an artical written for those who buy stocks in companys. He is only doing his job. If he slanted his story in favor of, or away from bio-diesel he wouldn't be around long. He is giving facts on production vs use. Nothing more. If you want to buy a stock you need this information plus more. CLW



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Butcher

03-09-2006 18:30:39




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
I agree totally. That guy probably does not know what a soybean plant even looks like.
Here in Iowa there is a growing push for Bio fuels. And why not? The economy around here is mostly AG. based. Farmers do well, everybody benifits. The guy with the post earlier that said that there was not enough land to fullfill demand should look at the dollars that are spent (tax dollars)for some commodities not to be produced. Of coarse the facts must be true. He read it in a newspaper. Ha.

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bo

03-09-2006 18:50:33




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to Butcher, 03-09-2006 18:30:39  
Read the rest of that "guy's" posts before you criticize him. Take into consideration arable land, feed stocks needed for animal production, grain needed for human consumption, growth in population and fuel usage. You have no clue what is being paid for not to be produced and why. Actually, you have no clue at all.
You're blowing smoke.



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Butcher

03-09-2006 19:09:26




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 18:50:33  
Hi Bo. I dont want to get into an internet pi$$ing match with anyone. I just think that bio fuels are good for the economy in my area, and a really good start to get big oil and car manufacturers and the Fing goverment to get off there A$$ and do something about the problem. It seems they all want our hard earned dollars and they say they will pass laws to take care of us folks that they think dont know anything. And as far as not having a clue, I know alittle more than you may think. Have a great day.

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bo

03-09-2006 19:21:27




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to Butcher, 03-09-2006 19:09:26  
Ok, agreed. Go read my post just under the original one.



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Leon R

03-09-2006 18:01:34




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
I found this an interesting read. Link



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MN Bob

03-09-2006 17:28:51




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
Am I the only one to notice or is my new Monitor pulling tricks on my eyes?
At the bottom, it says "Fool contributor Brian..", now I understand that it perhaps should have said Pool but perhaps someone agreed with TXGRN when they printed the article??



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TRC

03-09-2006 18:08:13




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to MN Bob, 03-09-2006 17:28:51  
The fool reference refers to "The Motley Fool" investment web site. This fellow writes articles for them.



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IaGary

03-09-2006 17:43:39




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to MN Bob, 03-09-2006 17:28:51  
Mine says Fool also.
That explains a lot of his comments.



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ricedaddy

03-09-2006 16:10:34




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
txgrn, all the way at the bottom you can click opinion, maybe if you get rough enough, he'll write you back! Just a thought



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Can't even use my name

03-09-2006 16:02:56




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
Not real sure what you are so upset about. Could you explain what has you so hot?



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bo

03-09-2006 15:27:28




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:12:27  
You're wallowing in this problem because there are three hundred million people and countless trucks all driving somewhere. The infrastructure, to include cars and fuel stations, doesn't exist to handle biodiesel. The amount of arable land isn't sufficient to produce enough biodiesel to eliminate gas use. The companies that are big enough to invest in biodiesel production are only ROI driven and won't give you a break on a thing.

Biodiesel won't get this country out of its problem. You're screaming without facts nor knowledge and you should get both.

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IaGary

03-09-2006 17:21:33




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 15:27:28  
Bo you are right that they are ROI driven.
But so is the American farmer. Any time we can develope another use for our commodities we gain.
Without ethanol our corn price would be about half what it is today.
As far as enough land to grow it.We grow more per acre every year and with better prices we could double our production on the same number of acres if we had the price to offset the cost of the higher prices of inputs.
When ethanol came along they said the same thing no way to dispurse the fuel. But if there is a demand the stations will add pumps to pump anything that will sell.
I remember when the first million gal per year where produced. Now were up to 4+ billion gals of ethanol per year. And that has an impact on oil prices as well as corn prices in a big way.

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bo

03-09-2006 18:19:34




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to IaGary, 03-09-2006 17:21:33  
One more thing. You're looking at mono culture and one disease that can't be chemically controlled will wipe out the whole crop of corn, soy or whatever. It can happen. Boll weevil, blight, rust, fungus, Jap beetle, you get the idea.



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IaGary

03-09-2006 18:34:02




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 18:19:34  
Your right we have growing issues to deal with but technoligy is working on that also.

With oil we have issues also Hurricanes, Wars and others.



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jughead 2

03-09-2006 16:00:22




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 15:27:28  
maybe you should realize that biodiesel will not replace gas. Diesel based fuels do not burn in gas engineered engines-talk about playing lose with the facts-try to get the proper terms



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txgrn

03-09-2006 15:30:35




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 15:27:28  
Don't have to answer you. I know what I'm talking about and have facts.

Mark



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Blue3992

03-09-2006 16:16:00




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to txgrn, 03-09-2006 15:30:35  
Yeah, I'm not so sure why you are so hot about this either. What's your beef?

It's just some dude's opinion. Take it for what its worth.

And, he's not saying anything about biodiesel being bad. He's just pointing out that production is going to more than double in the coming years. So, there may be a supply excess. So what?



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IaGary

03-09-2006 17:04:42




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to Blue3992, 03-09-2006 16:16:00  
What the beef is every diesel motor can burn bio when mix with diesel and this guy doesn't think any motors are made to run bio but a very few he listed.
Bio diesel is starting just as etanhol did in the 70's and will be in large use in another 10 to 15 years if guys like that reporter don't keep trying to scare the public away.
I agree with txgrn this reporter should get the facts right before writing.

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bo

03-09-2006 18:25:18




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to IaGary, 03-09-2006 17:04:42  
Doesn't matter who you agree with or not. What matters is that all this is whizzing against the wind. Sooner or later it'll come back at us or our kids. Population growth is inevitable, need for oil and gas is inevitable as is the growing world demand. What is needed is a brand new technology which eliminates the use of gas/diesel completely. Without that, the crunch will come.
We have about 300 years worth of coal supply in this country and that could be converted to some sort of diesel fuel, still, in 100 years the US population will be in excess 500 million and the world population will probably be at 8-9 billion and what then?

100 years sounds like a long time until you think about it when you hit 60 or so and figure out just how fast it went by.

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IaGary

03-09-2006 18:39:45




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to bo, 03-09-2006 18:25:18  
When the price gets high enough they will use coal to get the oil out of it.
Price doesn't justify it now.
And yes new energy technology is needed but if renewable energy helps from the farms lets use it.



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TRC

03-09-2006 18:19:39




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 Re: News Media Bias Bio-Diesel This Time in reply to IaGary, 03-09-2006 17:04:42  
I think the fellow was just saying that biodiesel only works in diesel engines, a large factor in trucking, a small factor in personal vehicle usage. I would have to say he is right on that front because most of us do not drive diesels to work every day. I don't think he's said anything here which should upset anyone. I certainly don't think he's trying to slant information in one way or another. Just my opinion.
Tim

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