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50 PSI Oil Sending Unit

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TimWafer

03-04-2006 12:43:58




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I’m looking for an oil-sending unit for an old Towmotor Forklift I’m working on. It looks like a common Ford unit except its 0-50 PSI. I've been told it might have been used on the 8N or 9N of the same era (late 50”s early 60’s) Local NAPA just looks at me like I’m nuts. I might be but that’s a story for another time!
Any ideas where I might find one? I also tried Ebay.
Thanks
Tim




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jdemaris

03-04-2006 17:08:54




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to TimWafer, 03-04-2006 12:43:58  
Find someone at your NAPA that knows what they're doing. NAPA has a large Echlin catalog that lists hundreds of sending units and pressure switches with pictures, ohm-ranges, thread sizes, equipment they are used on, etc. I use it often. In regard to your Towmotor and the 50 PSI sender and gauge. The issue is not the 50 PSI, it's the range of resistance from zero to whatever. Different companies use different resistance ranges, and there at least three different systems used and the sender needs to be of the same system as the gauge. If you can figure what make the gauge is, it could be figured out pretty easy. Some gauges are marked on the back either by manufacturor, or ohm-range. It might be simpler just to buy a new gauge and matching sender for $20. If you really want to use the original gauge, you can figure it out pretty easy with a variable resistor hooked between the gauge and ground.

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TimWafer

03-05-2006 15:04:52




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to jdemaris, 03-04-2006 17:08:54  
I agree that my local NAPA is not what it once was. The old crew that ran it would search the 4 corners of the earth for you but since it changed hands I’m lucky if they can find anything I’m looking for.
I understand what your saying about the resistance but, wouldn’t the pressure also be critical. Even if the resistance was correct for the entire range if the unit takes 100 PSI to move it the entire range and the gauge only goes to 50 PSI. It would be reading at half pressure. Since the correct operating pressure is 20-30 PSI it would only read 10-15Psi on my gauge.
I did measure the resistance on the fuel gauge in order to find a sending unit for that but it works on a float rather than pressure. Am I making any sense or am I off the beam?
Tim

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jdemaris

03-05-2006 17:32:02




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to TimWafer, 03-05-2006 15:04:52  
What you say makes perfect sense. I didn't start listing all the variables in order to avoid confusion. Besides what you already mentioned, some OEM gauge systems use a voltage regulator and run all the electric gauges on low-voltage - including the fuel, oil-pressure, temp, etc. Back to your sending unit. If your gauge only goes to 50 PSI - it takes a certain amount of resistance to ground to allow it to read so. It could be zero ohms if 50 is the end of the range. So, it might use, e.g., 300 ohms at 5 PSI, 150 ohms at 25 PSI, and 0 ohms at 50 PSI (I'd don't know, I'm just guessing). If that WERE the case, the sending unit would be cataloged as 325 - 0 ohms descending - zero ohms at 50 PSI, and then whatever type of thread and connector it uses (e.g. NMPT 1/8" with a spade push-on connector, etc.). If you want to check your gauge function, you need either a variable resistor - or if you're lucky, the correct fixed resistor. Gauge diagnostic kits usually come with such a variable resistor. This way, you'd hook it up, turn the dial until your gauge maxes out, turn the knob the other way to get the gauge to read zero, and read the resistance readings. If you can't get help from your NAPA people and they can't find their own book (which happens often), I can look up the number for you. But, you have to post what it is that you want - i.e. type of thread, type of connector, ascending or descending, and ohm range at PSI.

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Bus Driver

03-04-2006 14:04:52




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to TimWafer, 03-04-2006 12:43:58  
Try to identify the engine in the Towmotor. Perhaps the sender was supplied by the engine supplier.



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TimWafer

03-05-2006 15:08:11




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to Bus Driver, 03-04-2006 14:04:52  
The Towmotor is a model 510PG2024 and the Engine is a Continental F162 4 cylinder flathead. Correct operating range is 20-30PSI. I also gave NAPA this info but they said it was of no Value.
Tim



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Bob

03-04-2006 12:50:25




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to TimWafer, 03-04-2006 12:43:58  
9N or 8N Fords had mechanical gauges. If it matches a Ford tractor, it would have to be a later (numbered-series) tractor.

Standard Ignition and other generic ignition parts companies would probably have a sender.

You need to know at least two things...

The pressure range, and who made the actual guage.

Is it a single gauge, or is it in a cluster?

Is there a mfg's name in small print on the gauge face?

If a single gauge, it would be easy to replace the gauge with a matching gauge and sender.

Post back with any info from the gauge, and I'll try to research it a bit for you.

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TImWafer

03-05-2006 16:41:09




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 Re: 50 PSI Oil Sending Unit in reply to Bob, 03-04-2006 12:50:25  
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The Towmotor is a model 510PG2024 and the Engine is a Continental F162 4 cylinder flathead. Correct operating range for the engine is 20-30PSI. The gauge range is 0-50PSI. I can find no name or markings on the gauge whatsoever. It is an individual gauge but does match all the others and I just wanted to use it if I could. The sending unit is marked “Introl” on the top and “50” and “M6” on the base. I assumed the 50 was for the PSI. I guess I can change the gauge also but haven’t found an electric gauge with a range less than 80 and would like to keep the normal range in the middle of the gauge. The unit looks similar to the ford unit pictured.
Tim

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