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LP Tractors - Pros and Cons

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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 01:28:39




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Allright you guys, I"m seeing more and more LPs for sale lately and some at pretty fair prices. I need to pick your brains about these type tractors. What are the good things and what are the drawbacks.




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Larry48

02-25-2006 03:56:25




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
I've got a 4020LP. Its kind of a pain to refuel, but I bought a tank on wheels to support it, and it works well. I must be lucky with mine, it will start easily ANY TIME, or Temperature. This is the only tractor on LP I've ever been around, so maybe I just got lucky with mine. I think a guy has to keep in mind the danger involved in handling propane, and just be sensible and careful. I've never had a problem (knocking on wood), I sure like mine and wouldn't hesitate to buy another LP tractor.

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TOM N OK

02-24-2006 09:01:28




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
I like propane tractors myself. I have a 1963 Case 930 CK and 1959 John Deere 730. The thing I noticed most with the other comments on this subject was hard starting in winter. Some regulators may not work as good as others. But I have found, and most owners manuals will tell you, to start your tractor on vapor and let it warm up then switch to the liquid. This will allow the liquid to vaporize better. Also running out of fuel in the field isn't much of a problem because you can use a small tank from your outdoor cooker to start your tractor. Also these small tanks don't have a tube inside them so you have to turn the tank upside down to get liquid. The 730 has the perfect place for this hookup to the tractor with a tee ahead of the fuel shutoff valve and the Case I simply disconnect the vapor line at the tank and hook a hose to it that I had made specifically for this purpose. LPG is a good clean burning fuel and your engine will last for years with proper changing of the oil. Horse power is great with these tractors and will pull just as much as any diesel. I have found also that it takes about a gallon an acre to brushhog with so is real economical to operate with a properly running tractor.
Tom

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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 10:31:20




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to TOM N OK, 02-24-2006 09:01:28  
Tom, I sent one reply to you already but don't know if you got it or not. If so, disregard whichever one you chose. Thanks for your thoughts. I am actually interested in the 730 ( can't help myself-just like green) are there any other inherent problems with this model? Also need ballpark numbers on what to offer for this model. Thanks again! Bruce



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Tom N OK

02-28-2006 11:21:22




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 10:31:20  
Hi Bruce Don't know what to tell you about price for a 730 LP. If you been watching the photo ads they run in a big range depending on what kind of shape they are in. I would try to find a tractor that runs good to start with that doesn't have any strange noises and then check for leaks. Some leaks take more to fix than others as you may know. As far as hard starting, never had that kind of problem with either of my tractors. They start right up in any kind of weather cold or hot. If they don't they have some issues that need looking into. My Case tractor I had to put another regulator system on it a few years ago because I couldn't find parts to rebuild my Ensign regulator so I went with Impco setup on it and it works great. Bruce you can contact me at mistertg2003@yahoo.com if you have more questions.
Tom

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wilman

02-24-2006 06:58:42




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
Let's see gas at 2.16 here in NE Iowa, off road diesel at 2.10 and LP at 1.35, makes it pretty economical when I go to fill my D17 LP. Fuel handling is a little different than using a gas or diesel tractor and takes different equipment but any type of competent LP salesman should be able to get you set up filling it either from your big LP tank for house or shop heating or from smaller tanks. May also cost a little more for the equipment to fill it but is worth it in the long run when you look at the price differences. I use an older 33# fork lift cylinder that doesn't have a tube in it. It holds about 7 1/2 gallon of LP and yes it is a little heavier than a 10 gallon can of gas (I don't have a fuel barrel at the farm) but I don't have to heft it up to dump it in either. Let it sit on the ground, hook the hose up, crack the bleeder valves and fill valves and let it fill. Takes a little longer than using a gas can but gives me time to do other projects. As far as cold starting, my LP burner started right up at 5 degrees this winter to move snow and was sitting in an unheated machine shed and wasn't plugged in. Mine has a electric primer button that I push for a couple of seconds to prime everything and then turn the key and start it. I also have no problem shutting it off, turn the key off and she shuts down. Don't even have to turn the valves off. Biggest con maybe when it comes time to work on the carb or regulators as they can become expensive and maybe harder to find parts for but I will cross that bridge when I get to it. If you can't tell, I really like that LP tractor.

Wil

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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 10:37:55




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to wilman, 02-24-2006 06:58:42  
wilman, How would this tractor run at 8200 feet? What adjustments would need to be made to the regulators or carberation (sp) system? You guys responses are helping alot and I thank all of you. Bruce



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txgrn

02-24-2006 06:31:08




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
Will never have another. In short; fuel handling is a problem in both extremes of ambient temperature and logistically....gotta get the fuel to the tractor; gotta hit the sweet spot to get it started; hard starting soon after shutdown unless you remember to turn the fuel off and let it die; very very thirsty when working it hard.

Take diesel hands down. Has none of the above problems and you can drive your p/u to town and get some diesel for it when you need it.

Mark

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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 12:11:54




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to txgrn, 02-24-2006 06:31:08  
txgrn, The other side of your coin is having to go to town (for me that's 32 miles) to get more diesel. I'm kinda thinking I'd rather have it delivered and only be a short distance from the house tank but thanks for your input and your honesty about LPs. I'm still looking at everything. Bruce



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txgrn

02-24-2006 14:23:09




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 12:11:54  
Bruce man,

My house runs on LP. Have a 500 gallon tank for it. I had a 300 gallon nurse tank with wheels I bought to support the tractor.

Man I am trying to do you a favor.

RUN away from that thing as fast as you can.

Mark



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dhermesc

02-24-2006 06:11:45




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
there is one other advantage no one else has brought up. When you have an LP tractor all (or most) of the LP you use to heat your home suddenly becomes a farm expense.



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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 12:04:57




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to dhermesc, 02-24-2006 06:11:45  
dhermesc, How are you at tax returns?



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John (MO)

02-24-2006 10:56:53




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to dhermesc, 02-24-2006 06:11:45  
No, say it ain't so! LOL



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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 11:31:02




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to John (MO), 02-24-2006 10:56:53  
John, say what ain't so? Bruce



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Billy NY

02-24-2006 06:04:12




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
Good advice, they definitely run cleaner, can be a little problematic starting in cold weather, mine does not like to start belwo 10 deg F. The vaporizer uses coolant for heat and as long I can get it to temperature it will vaporize and run, other wise it liquifies and as hard to start when it gets down to 10 deg F. With the warmer temperatures this year I have not kept it inside the heated garage, that makes it an easy start, the bitter cold seems to make the propane stay in liquid form. The funny thing is, that I recall all of the propane forklifts in the lumber yard not having too much trouble with cold starts, so this Impco vaporizer/regulator may have some issues, I hear some hissing, something leaks on it, never have been able to positively conclude what the deal is with cold starts, I've been avoiding it by using the heated garage if snow or artic temperatures are on the way. One advantage I have is that it uses the 30 lb removable forklift size tanks, I can keep it inside in the heat, take an extra to the field, have to get them refilled down the road, they seem to last at least 5 hours under a moderate workload. I assume with a fixed tank you need a nurse tank to refill and need to be careful about running out if you cannot fill it in the field, hopefully someone else can shed some light on the options here.

I like how my ford 850 LPG runs, I get pure propane from the supplier here, the oil stays clean for a year, properly tuned it does not lack in the power dept. as I can recall the performance of the same engine powered by gasoline, LPG may provide a bit more HP,not sure if that is true though. It sure runs crisp, and even with a 6 foot brushog in high grass going up hill in 1st or 2nd gear it will hold it's own, but gets hot quickly, so I do not push it, I've got some strange external coolant leak and steam that becomes noticeable when putting a heavy load on it like this, have to figure that one out. I know better than to run this one until the exhaust manifold is a dull red, but although it's a little ugly with the tank, I like it as a workhorse so far.

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B. Abseck

02-24-2006 10:24:44




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to Billy NY, 02-24-2006 06:04:12  
Billy, I don't like to start in 10 degree weather either. Most likely I will end up fair weather farming but problems with cold starts seems to be about the only complaint so far that anyone has. Thanks for your time on this matter.



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DJM75

02-24-2006 05:02:29




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 Re: LP Tractors - Pros and Cons in reply to B. Abseck, 02-24-2006 01:28:39  
good things the fuel is fairly cheap and the engines are very clean inside propane engine could run for years and when you there it down it looks like new inside. Bad is sometimes there not to easy to start in cold weather and may not be an easy way for you to refill them unless you have a tank and if you run out in the field it would be hard to just pick up a can and go dump it in. Thats about all I"ve had experience with someone else here could tell you more.

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