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Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course

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Billy NY

02-14-2006 17:38:55




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I've been reading up on this subject, as while attempting a quick fix on this 292 in the old F-600, I found the weak one ! There's always one, good thing is there will be 3/8" -1/2" protruding.

BTW, the furnace cement held great, sealed the crack, but that was not the leak, so I'm taking it off, just too annoying to listen to anymore.

I am wary about welding a nut on as I don't want to arc the crank bearings,not a lot of room,maybe take the inner fender well off, but having a grip and the heat would do it, I'm just not confident about where to clamp the ground. I've got some industrial penetrating oil, Free-All, and can apply heat with oxy/acetylene or just acetylene, little cooler. I'll try getting a bite with vise grips, I know Snap On makes a tool for this also, + hammering on the end to vibrate and break the bond. Just read one about where they hooked the hot, stinger to the stud and grounded nearby, then gave it the juice for 2 seconds, heat broke it free, I dunno if I'd try that. All the other bolts are loose, odds are it's not seized that bad, possibly some heat, light hammering to break the bond and if I can get a grip it may come out. I've done flush ones before, know the drilling procedures also know the dangers of E-Z outs, etc. Also reverse bits etc. Lot of tricks out there, but was really wondering how people here tackle these ?

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Steve_ne

02-15-2006 06:42:02




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to Billy NY, 02-14-2006 17:38:55  
Had this happen,there is a cheap reverse threaded bit, Works really good. First you drill a little starter hole with a normal drill bit. You then ratchet the other bit into the hole. This bit has threads that are reversed and tappered so it drives down into the hole and starts to turn the bolt out. Well worth the 8 to 10 bucks I paid for it. O'reilly's auto parts



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TimV

02-14-2006 18:51:54




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to Billy NY, 02-14-2006 17:38:55  
Helped my neighbor fix an exhaust leak on his Ford with a 300 I6 last weekend. Snapped off both studs in the flange, but had a bit sticking out on both of them. We had to heat both of them to get them out. Once they had been heated dull red with oxy/acetylene and allowed to cool, we could turn them out with vice-grips. Putting on the repair flange was a bit trickier--the exhaust pipe is 2", and the only 2" flanges the parts store had were too narrow to fit the bolt span of the flange. The 2 1/4" flanges they had fit the bolt span fine but of course were too loose on the pipe. Ended up having to weld the 2" flanges to the 2 1/4" flanges then bolt the whole mess back into place. It's holding fine so far, but what should have been an hour job took most of the day--in other words, business as usual...

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Billy NY

02-14-2006 19:19:18




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to TimV, 02-14-2006 18:51:54  
Oh yeah, when it rains it pours, I've learned to accept that factor, "the best laid plans of mice and men", so that every once in awhile when you do get a break when turning the proverbial golden wrenches, it is appreciated. I knew something was up when I was able to tighten these up, well this one was going to break no matter what, be it really stuck, which it was, or just par for the course, seeing that all the others are loose, no escaping without a snag! That 300 gives one plenty of room on the old ones, fast forward to my '96 F-150 and there is not as much room in there, last year they offered it, always thought it was a good motor, had one in a '66 F-100, it outlived the truck.

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IaGary

02-14-2006 18:01:43




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to Billy NY, 02-14-2006 17:38:55  
Unless this is a new rebuild you won't arc the bearings because of the oil on them. The eletric current will take the closest route. Screw one bolt back in and the clean threads will make a good ground to head to next bolt that you are welding on. Go for it weld a nut on the stub. Let it cool so you don't twist the new nut off.



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Billy NY

02-14-2006 18:31:16




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to IaGary, 02-14-2006 18:01:43  
I was thinking that, but without asking someone, I hated to chance it. I'm not sure why, but at 82,000 miles this old 292 sure runs good, oil pressure is way up, like close to 80 when first started, really never drops below 50, although volume is what you need. This motor seems real fresh and has good compression, holds you back on the hills. I'll get it apart make some room, if I can get a stick in there, it'll work, was just worried about that ground though. Thanks Again !

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Bob

02-14-2006 19:17:02




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to Billy NY, 02-14-2006 18:31:16  
Clean the metal as close as is practical to the weld site, and attach the ground clamp there, and weld away, with no worries.

As often as I have done this, if there was a risk of bearing damage, it would have happened to me by now!



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Billy NY

02-14-2006 19:22:53




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 Re: Broken Manifold Bolts refresher course in reply to Bob, 02-14-2006 19:17:02  
I should have this size tap, I'll carefully chase the threads out on the closest hole, blow out the hole, then clean the bolt until it's shiny, sounds like a plan !



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