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Slow Idling a Diesel Engine.

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TomNTexas

02-14-2006 07:24:08




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I"ve been told not to leave a diesel engine idling at slow speeds for prolonged periods. Any thing to this? I"ve got a 310A backhoe and find myself in and out of the seat working it around the place. What RPM would you leave it in "stand by"?

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Tom




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cdmn

02-14-2006 17:27:06




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 Re: Slow Idling a Diesel Engine. in reply to TomNTexas, 02-14-2006 07:24:08  
My brother, the mechanic, says it's because the rocker arms don't get enough lube at slow idle, and you soon wear the bushings.



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txgrn

02-14-2006 08:03:20




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 Re: Slow Idling a Diesel Engine. Hey George!!!!! in reply to TomNTexas, 02-14-2006 07:24:08  
Agree on the too cool and dilution of oil. More of a problem in the winter.

Check the stack smoke. If white, you are too cool. Sometimes I just rev the engine to get it to stay at temp and sometimes put cardboard in front of the radiator to bring the overall engine temp up. Works. Check out the OTR trucks in the winter. Notice their grill cover?
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Hey George, How are things going down there? We had 3 families over here in Texas from there for awhile. Helped out best we could. Then Rita hit the TX coast and we had more; this time kin folks.

Mark

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George in Biloxi

02-14-2006 09:29:15




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 Re: Slow Idling a Diesel Engine. Hey George!!!!! in reply to txgrn, 02-14-2006 08:03:20  
Hey Txgrn,
Things are getting better all the time. If you did not see all of the destruction though, you would not think alot has been done. They have moved several million CY of debri and there is many, many more times that left. We were just talkin how it is hard to believe it has been 6 months all ready. I have just gotten things about strait and will be gutting my house here soon. I did not flood, just the roof had a lot of leaks from the wind, and rain water got in many places. We wanted to remodel anyway, we were just not thinkin right away. My buddies house got 5 foot and he is a few miles away from the nearest water. He bought a 5th wheel camper trailer that I am going to use while I am redoing mine. Everyone in all these trailers, we are going to be sweating it for even a little storm here soon.

Thanks for askin,

George

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txgrn

02-15-2006 08:05:28




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 Re: Slow Idling a Diesel Engine. Hey George!!!!! in reply to George in Biloxi, 02-14-2006 09:29:15  
Super!

You wouldn't believe the horror stories the folks that came here told. One had an apt on the beach, other lived off the pass road near the VA, last lived between Biloxi and GP near a creek. The surge filled BBay and came around the back, via the creek, and completely flooded them outta their trailer. Had to swim to the trees to get out of the flood.

Saw auction pictures of some of the boats moored at Pass Christian. Really terrible all those beautiful boats just ruined.

Later,

Mark

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Bob M

02-14-2006 07:58:41




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 Re: Slow Idling a Diesel Engine. in reply to TomNTexas, 02-14-2006 07:24:08  
Tom - Due to the high airflow rate and combustion efficiency of a diesel engine, long periods of idling can result in low coolant temperatures.

Low temperatures then promote incomplete combustion with smokey exhaust and "wet stacking" (incomplete combustion of fuel which then wets the inside of exhaust system with a nasty, black goo). Prolonged cold idling also promotes condensation/dilution in the lube oil which is kinda hard on an engine's internals.

Running the idle up makes the engine run hotter and thus reduce these problems. However it also uses more fuel. Generally speaking, increasing idle RPM by 80 - 100% above low idle (ie. setting the idle about 1,000 and 1,200 RPM for your 'hoe) should be adequate.

However at current diesel prices, the cost-effective approach is to simply shut the engine down if it's gonna be idling for more than a couple minutes. The only exception would be for a turbocharged engine - if a turbo's been working hard, let it idle for 5 minutes or so to let the turbo cool before shutting down.

Incidentally my F250 diesel automatically kicks the idle up to 1,100 RPM if it's allowed to idle in nuetral more than a couple minutes and the computer senses the lube oil is a below a certain temperature.

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George in Biloxi

02-14-2006 07:31:08




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 Re: Slow Idling a Diesel Engine. in reply to TomNTexas, 02-14-2006 07:24:08  
Hello,
I know that my 63' Mack manual states if idling for a while to increase the hand throttle to about a 1000 RPMs. My new Cummins will automatically idle to 1000 depending on temp. If the engines are running cool, they do not burn all of the fuel and some may dilute the engine oil.

George



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