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For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivating

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ShepFL

02-13-2006 14:17:26




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Was out tinkering in the shop last night and it struck me.

For cultivation I think the AC G and other rigs that had view (cultivision etc) of the crop being cultivated is a direct decendant of horse drawn equipment.

Fast fwd. to the '60's(?) and cultivating is done behind the tractor?

Why the switch? Is it as simple as economics? Easier to pull 6, 12, 24 row equipment than to push it? Your thoughts? Comments?

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Mike (WA)

02-14-2006 12:27:59




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
There used to be a substantial number of Japanese and Filipino farmers in the shadow of downtown Tacoma, who made a living truck farming 30 to 40 acres. Very labor intensive, but they had modest income requirements, and usually lots of kids for the handwork. They did almost exclusively mechanical tillage, dictated by diverse crops, close neighbors (both farmers and non-farmers), and markets frowning on spraying. They each had a "fleet" of identical tractors- usually Farmall Super A's or AC G's- usually 6 to 10 of them- each with its own mounted implement, that was never removed or changed. Most are gone now as civilization encroached, but can lick their wounds with sale of their land at $50 to $60K per acre. Those with G's got a nice bonus when they had the farm sale!

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JMS/MN

02-13-2006 22:12:13




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
This is a no-brainer! Used to be we had front-mount cultivators that took a long time to mount on the tractor, and yes- it was easier to keep them on the row. Rear mount cultivators came later- much easier to hook up to or dismount, and with a guide bar on the front axle- easy to keep on the row. Key to operate with was DO NOT LOOK BACK!!!! Watch the guide bar!. With the quick-coupler hitch we can couple an 8r30 in a minute and go to the field- or come home and switch to another machine.

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Andrew from KY

02-13-2006 18:43:02




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
Don't forget also the hassle it would be to take a set of 6, 8, or more row cultivators down the road while slung under the tractor belly. And folding a set up around the tractor would be kinda complicated I would think. So with a 3pt one just drop it on the ground and pull it down the road sideways.



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Vacherie

02-13-2006 18:34:58




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
I use my Super A with cultivators on front. I have a three point on the rear for more rear cultivators. It is used on a half acre acre garden and is mostly recreation. For everything else I use my Kubota L245.



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Farmerboy

02-13-2006 18:08:15




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
Like the rest said, the front mounts are a pain to hook and unhook. two and four row units are bad enough but I can't imagine hooking a front mount 8R30 cultivator(I've seen them, even had one offered to me). That's pry why they no longer make 'em. Pretty easy to back up to the cultivator and lift the 3pt arms ( provided you have a quik coupler).

Lots of guys around here don't cultivate at all anymore. They depend completely on spraying

I cultivated my corn with a 60 and front mount 400 last year and plan on using the rig again this year. Just tonight, I finished up putting together a 200 on a "B" and hope to use it as well.

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RAB

02-13-2006 15:36:08




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
At that same time weed-control cultivation went out, as spray applicators came in. Wide-front row crops prolly became more prevalent. That was all-round progress. OR WAS IT?..... Nasty (only found out later) spray agents, etc, etc.
Underslung inter-row cultivators were, up to then, more accurate and easy to use. So fairly complex to analyse, but 3 point linkage was there, available and easy to use....
Regards, RAB

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Punchie

02-13-2006 14:54:38




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
HI Shep

I think the rear is better, lets the air in and leaves the ground high and low uneven to help hold water. If its is a little wet maybe clumpy . If you want a field to grow you need a firm seed bed. I think the loose dirt left behind is harder for the weeds to take root.

Have a Good One !! Teddy



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Allan in NE

02-13-2006 15:02:35




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to Punchie, 02-13-2006 14:54:38  
Huh??? :>)



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Allan in NE

02-13-2006 14:34:41




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
Dunno, just a theory,

But, lots of the manufacturers' were running rear cultivators in the mid 50s. Just plain easier to hook up a rear mount than fight that belly mount. John Deere and IH for sure.

Then, when Ford's stranglehold patient on the 3-point hitch ran out, they were all off to the races big time.

We were equipped all two point and when that time came, we dropped that junk like a bad habit. Couldn't get it switched over fast enough because that old two point stuff had hit it's limit on weight.

Plus, it was way easier to drive a rear mount cultivator. :>)

Allan

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RegularRog

02-13-2006 14:22:18




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to ShepFL, 02-13-2006 14:17:26  
Mounting those front mount cultivators isn't
the easiest task. Much easier to hook up to a
3 pt or fast hitch.



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RustyFarmall

02-13-2006 14:24:30




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to RegularRog, 02-13-2006 14:22:18  
Yep, a real hassle to demount that front mount cultivator when it was time to make hay, and then install it again the next day.



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The Dukester

02-13-2006 16:26:40




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 Re: For Curiousity's Sake - Conventional Cultivati in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-13-2006 14:24:30  
Yeah, but trust me, you could do a much better job with front mounts, especially if you had fields with any sidehills. I could mount or dismount the 4 row cultivator set on my Super M in about 20 minutes...by myself. With 36 inch rows I didn't have to slide the wheels out and in either. In 10 choices I'd take front mounts 11 times. The 3 point or fasthitch made rear mounts practical. The work was usually so sloppy you had to spray anyway.

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