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BobReeves

02-07-2006 10:12:16




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Say you have a hydraulic cylinder with a 4 inch stroke and you need to move 6 pieces of steel ( 1/2 x 2 x 12 spaced about a foot apart ) straight up (vertical) 5 inches. It would also be better (easier to mount) if the cylinder was laying flat instead of vertical. What combination of levers, cams etc. would one need to make in order to accomplish the objective. Have been thinking about rotating a long piece of pipe with levers off the pipe to raise the steel shanks but I get too much horizontal movement where the lever would pin to the shank to make it work. Any ideas?

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BobReeves

02-08-2006 07:47:01




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 Re: Help any mechanical engineers in the group.. in reply to BobReeves, 02-07-2006 10:12:16  
Thanks for the tips gang, will take the ideas and do some Acad drawings to see what I can come up with. The jack and putting the cylinder in the middle of a lever are two ideas I havent thought of.



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KEB

02-07-2006 20:18:34




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 Re: Help any mechanical engineers in the group.. in reply to BobReeves, 02-07-2006 10:12:16  
I assume from your statement about too much horizontal motion using a pivot that you need to go straight up & down, with no sideways motion at all. A couple possibilities. First, can you use guide posts under the plates? If so, you can use a number of lever type schemes to multiply the length of cylinder travel, and a short linkage between the end of the lever and the piece moving vertical to take out any horizontal motion.

If you can't or don't want to use guides, do a search on walking beam engines. There are a number of mechanical linkages that connect a horizontal beam on a pivot to a cylinder rod moving in a straight line up & down. There are also books that are a collection of mechanisms, and will have schemes for converting lever to linear motion.

Finally, what about a diamond linkage arrangement like those used on car jacks, where a long screw pulls the ends of a diamond linkage together to raise the car. If the arms on each side are the same length, the top pivot would move straight up & down. I haven't tried to work out the geometry, but seems like you should be able to mechanically increase the length of travel by mounting the cylinder part way out on the diamond arms.

Hope this provokes some ideas.

Keith

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IaGary

02-07-2006 17:42:15




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 Re: Help any mechanical engineers in the group.. in reply to BobReeves, 02-07-2006 10:12:16  
If you take strap of steel with three holes first hole is pivot point. Middle hole is for cylinder. Hole on other end for what you want to move . Hole for cylinder should be closer to the move hole not pivot. Practice with a wood ruler to determine where to put cylinder to get 5" of movement with other end locked in place. If your email is open I could email a diagram.



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WaltMo

02-07-2006 12:32:13




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 Re: Help any mechanical engineers in the group.. in reply to BobReeves, 02-07-2006 10:12:16  
Can you lengthen the lever your cylinder is pinned to. This should give less rotation of the pipe. The farther you get from the axis of the pipe the less rotation you will get.
Don"t know many degrees you need to rotate or what length of arms the pads are attached to but if the lever you attach cylinder to is the same length as the four levers your pads are mounted to you should get the same 4 inches as you cylinder. hth WaltMo

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No ME

02-07-2006 11:58:36




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 Re: Help any mechanical engineers in the group.. in reply to BobReeves, 02-07-2006 10:12:16  
I'm not a M.E. but an A.E.(Agricultural Engineer) by schooling. A simple comparison would be a cheap auto floor jack. The piston moves horizontally only a few inches but the lifting arm moves about about 12-14 inches, all by levers. You would have "ratio" the dimensions of the jack to get a rough idea of how long to make your lever(s). Then, determine the load weight and design accordingly.



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Old Pokey

02-07-2006 17:08:56




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 Good thinking. in reply to No ME, 02-07-2006 11:58:36  
I never thought of using the floor jack as an example.



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