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Engineer20

04-04-2006 07:17:40

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Hi all,

This coming weekend I picking up a Case LA. The motors stuck and the rear tires are flat and won't hold air. The front tires do hold air. The basic plan is to jack-knife the trailer and use another tractor to pull the LA up onto the trailer. Sounds easy, almost to easy. Anybody have any more tips or tricks to make this work?

Thanks for the help.

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Ol Chief

04-04-2006 20:29:30

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

This past week I loaded two Case 900B diesels. One on steel wheels.The other had huge rice tires with about 1100 lbs.of cast iron on each back wheel plus front weight.Then loaded loaded a MM BI 445 and a Minne Mo M5.I used three snatch blocks and 150 feet of one half inch cable and a 45 hp MM 445.Probably could have used one of my 335"s,lt went so easy with 3 pulleys.I anchored the head block to the gooseneck ball,second block to tractor axle,tail block to forward trailer side frame.They all went on so easy,but getting off was hairy because I did not use any restraining method.

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chris sweetland

04-04-2006 13:56:58

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

go to the local grage with the biggest flat bed wrecker and become good friends with the owner thats what i do to get some things home

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buickanddeere

04-04-2006 13:31:43

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

At the least use a pulley attached to the front of the trailer bed, a pulley on the front of the dead tractor. Then pull the dead tractor onto the trailer with the tow tractor pulling from the rear of the trailer. The pulley on the front of the dead tractor will give 2X speed reduction and 2x the lbs pull. Pulling from the back will counteract the force of pulling the dead tractor forward. Best solution by far has already been stated. Use a proper slow speed winch mounted to the front of the trailer. Then better yet add a 2 to 1 pulley on the front of the tractor. Slow and easy does it. The Stuck and Troubled section of this site has lots of pictires of yo-yo's who got rammy,cheap and impatient. Then rolled thier tractor while atenting to load it. Often with serious injuries to the operator or bystanders. And don't think you are too smart to have it happen to you.

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Sloroll

04-04-2006 12:41:24

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

Does your tractor have a loader? I just loaded a dead one with no rear tires by picking up the rear end (by chain over loader bucket) and push/driving, it on. Worked pretty slick.

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jdacih

04-04-2006 12:20:27

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

When I bought my first LA all four tires were flat and it did not run and we pulled it on with an M Farmall with no problem.

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the tractor vet

04-04-2006 11:09:55

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

in all my years of haulen dead tractors the only one that ever gave me fit tryen to get it on the trailer was a 1370 Case with 30.5x 32 loaded tires and a bunch of wheel weights and huge stack of ft weights that was dead and tryen to push it up on the trailer with a wore out 4020 with bald tires and no weight enven had the trailer on a down hill and as soon as the back tires on the case started up the ramps the 4020 would spiin out in the mud end up getting a Backhoe to help pull , sure hope the guy that owned that hoe did not mind since i sorta just stole it for and hour sure glade one key fits all.Then after we got it on my trailer i wished that i would have left it where it was as it must have weighed more the a 1066 and a 806 combined as i have hauled both at one time and this case was heavier the the two .

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Catskill Pete

04-04-2006 10:47:12

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

I have a winch on my trailer now, but before I got one and occasionaly with somebody elses trailer I use a chain hoist. Its very slow [not always a bad thing] but much more powerful and safer than a come a long.

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someone

04-04-2006 10:21:05

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

Dad always used to spray the deck of the trailer with water and then put a light coating of diesel on top of that (diesel sits on the water, diesel is a light oil helps them slide easier, but once you get to the wood deck your already home free.

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Nebraska Cowman

04-04-2006 10:37:14

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to someone, 04-04-2006 10:21:05

WHAT??? and you are still alive to tell the tale. I would never attempt to load on a slick deck. You won't nead a divorce cuz your wife will be a WIDOW

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Nebraska Cowman

04-04-2006 10:17:47

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

that will work. I've pulled lots of them on. if they get to pulling to one side you can hook to the rear axle and correct. depending on your trailer you may have to block the wheels. I pulled these 3 on a week ago.

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Bobl1958

04-04-2006 09:11:31

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

20 - I loaded many tractors on my goose neck by pulling them on before finally getting a winch. You don't even need to cock your truck to the side very much. Just block the wheels on the trailer good and pull her on. Keep the chain/strap to the side closest to the side the pulling tractor is on to keep the front end from pulling to the side too bad. Believe it or not, I know a man (now passed away) and his son who pulled on over 50 old Case, many L's and LA,s by using one chain and two binders. Tighten one binder and then get another bite with the second. Now that's work. Good luck.

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Keith-OR

04-04-2006 09:08:17

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

Should work, before I mounted winch on my trailers, used this method. I have outriggers on my trailers to stop the back from dropping and raising my truck off the ground as I pull tractor up the ramps. I once forgot to block rear of my trailer and lifted the back of my Ford F350 rear tires completely off the ground.

1. Block up the back your trailer 2. Use some sort of blocks in front of trailer tires, to keep trailer from moving forward.
3. Snatch block make things much easier(as Old said)
4. I like using chain or cable rather than tow strap. I do not like the stretch action when loading onto a trailer. Like a more positive pull.

Just becarefull and SAFE!!!!

Keith & Shawn

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big jt

04-04-2006 09:08:14

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

A push pole might work but make it heavier than what tractor vet is talking about. Those two flat tires and the weight of a dead LA will bend that one into a pretzel.

I have a winch on my trailer so that is what I normaly use.

I did borrow a car hauler 6 months ago and used my snatch block and a tractor. Worked like a champ and by backing with the tractor I had a clear view of what was happening. I ran the cable under the car so the tractor was going in the same line as the car.

Make sure you chock the wheels of the trailer real good. If the tow vehicle is a automatic you will be putting a lot of stress on the parking pawls.

Be careful and take your time.

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the tractor vet

04-04-2006 10:59:12

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to big jt, 04-04-2006 09:08:14

Well the two inch one that i made up years ago has pushed a bunch of tractors and heay ones at that like 1370 case 4630 deers 1466 -86 I H's with extra weights and loaded tires up on thre trailer and off the trailer and have never bent or broken it now there have been times that what we were moving was bigger then the tow tractor and have had the load shove the tow tractor around as long as ya can keep everything stright and if your welding is up to snuff there is no problem but if you welding looks like a Chicken had the runs then well ya had better take a welding course or have someone that knows how to lay a bead .

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Bob M

04-04-2006 09:05:04

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

I've loaded various dead tractors onto various trailers using various methods. Far and away I prefer winching with a come-a-long instead of pulling with another tractor. Yeah it's more work. But it's easily the safest loading approach. (Just think of it at it as a few minutes of upper body conditioning!)

However if you're absolutely determined to use another tractor to pull the dead one onboard, as Old suggests a snatch block and suitable cable -with the shatch block hooked to the front of the DOA tractor and fixed end of the cable hooked to the front of the trailer - is much preferred over a direct pull.

Reason: It reduces the horizontal force on the trailer by 50% which lessens the chance of the jack knifed trailer unexpectedly "skidding out" the tow vehicle. (I've seen a trailer jump it's chocks and skid the tow vehicle sideways just as the towed dead tractor starts up the ramp). This strategy also reduces the drawbar force on the towing tractor by 50% (helpful if there's snow, etc. on the ground) AND it slows loading movement speeds by 50%.

SAFETY FIRST!

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the tractor vet

04-04-2006 08:48:26

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

A push pole made from 2 inch sch. 40 pipe and some 2x3/8ths flat strap made up as a wagon hitch on both ends with a 7/8th hole for drawbar pins and put both tractors drawbar to drawbar Make it about 6 foot long works well just don't bind the pins as it can be a bear getting the pins out you can slot the hole on one end so you have some fex just don't make it any wider then 7/8th wide for up and down .

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26Red

04-04-2006 11:47:32

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to the tractor vet, 04-04-2006 08:48:26

I did a push pole once like you said... never again, I don't want to die and I don't need to sell the tractor that badly!

The snatch block works nicely if your looped wired ends are secured! (can you say flying hardware)

Sometimes you wish you didn't have to learn things the hard way...

Next time, if I'm selling a dead tractor and I have to help load it... my rules for loading, or no sale!

sorry for the rant..

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old

04-04-2006 08:27:08

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

My self I use a wench to load dead tractors, or a com-a-long. If you use another tractor use a snatch block and a cable it makes it a lot easier if you use the snatch block.

Hobby farm

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JDknut

04-04-2006 08:57:42

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to old, 04-04-2006 08:27:08

That wench gotta be eating her Wheaties or else have some help from a winch. :-)

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Keith-OR

04-04-2006 09:14:53

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to JDknut, 04-04-2006 08:57:42

But JD, if you have a good looking wench on your trailer, tractors just jump on...lol

Keith

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muggsw6

04-04-2006 10:26:59

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Keith-OR, 04-04-2006 09:14:53

I would say something funny about a wench and a snatch block, but I won't. ;>)

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Harley

04-04-2006 13:44:16

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to muggsw6, 04-04-2006 10:26:59

DOHHHHH HHHHH HHHHH HHH don"t even go there. It just gets worse the longer ya think about it. huh, Harley

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Marty Z

04-04-2006 08:05:44

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

Like Errin said, I did the same thing with a dead Case DC4. Try tying off the ramp end of the trailer to a tree or another truck. That trailer is gonna want to slide and push the towing truck too.
Good luck. Sounds like a 3 beer job
Marty Z

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Errin OH

04-04-2006 07:48:25

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

Block the trailer wheels. I pulled tractor, truck, and trailer when the weight of the trator lifted the weight off the rear tires of the truck. Left a pretty good ding in the bumper too.....

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msb

04-04-2006 07:32:16

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Re: Loading a dead tractor in reply to Engineer20, 04-04-2006 07:17:40

Works for me.I use a nylon strap so nothing gets damaged.

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