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what is so great about the john deere 4020

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jlmtractor

04-01-2006 16:57:06




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ok maybe this is a stupid question but why do people rave over the john deere 4020 is it powerful or is it that it is green and yellow?




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Justin Jagiella

06-28-2006 08:43:45




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
I have a 3010, so I"m a little biased, but I don"t see a big difference between a 4010 and a 4020...not for the money difference anyway. If I were going to spend the money a 4020 brings, I"d buy a 4230 w/cab, air, heat. But they are a nice size tractor...but my 3010 does hay with no problem either.



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Luke S

04-03-2006 06:25:09




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
They seem pretty good, but sure do bring a lot of cash. I have run quite a few 4020's and I like my Oliver 1955 better, but maybe that's just what I am used to? Shifts easier for me, and I like the three speed over/under shift. I could have two good old Olivers for what one decent 4020 brings.



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wolfman

04-02-2006 19:11:00




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
There are/were classics whether one liked them or not: F-20; 8n; M; WD-45; 4020; 1066;few others. Kind a like Cher, Reba, Elvis; 20; M; 45, 40; 10.



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Leroy

04-02-2006 08:58:55




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
That is what I could never figure out, same for any 4010 or 3010 or 3020. Was a Deere 2 cylinder guy but when needed bigger tractor size of 3010 went to Ford 5000 because it was a lot better design. Drove a 2020 that was same size as my 4000 Ford and my Ford was lot better tractor. Could still consider buying a 1010-1020-2010 but not one in 3010 or larger size



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marlowe

04-02-2006 08:27:45




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
we had one for a year and traded it for a MF-1100 and the massey was why better tractor. still have the 1100. JD has the best sales pitch going they have the market starting with the kids toys



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buickanddeere

04-01-2006 21:06:45




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
90% nostelga for the "good old days" and 10% for Deere doing a decent design job. Deere tractors to this very day can trace some family history back to something somewhere in the 4020 design. The 6603 is a modern 4020. I wouldn't purchase a 34+ year old 4020 when a new 6603 can be had for little more $$$. Better yet the 6603 can be had with M4WD and a decent cab. And the new 6603 is cheaper than a 4020 when fuel consumption is considered.

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massey333

04-02-2006 07:43:37




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to buickanddeere, 04-01-2006 21:06:45  
Maybe two 6603s MIGHT replace one 4020 but other than Case you had a tractor,aTRANSMISSON that could be shifted,good hyd.,fairly quiet if you wanted a cab,good engine that could be run at 140+HP(Turboed) with proper care.5000-6000 series are GOOD loader and gin tractors and nothing More.Yes for the weekend-play farmer probibly better buy than a 4020 because most all 4020s were worked hard Not played with a few hours a month. As far as the 4030s,some were jokes but I had a 4030 Syncro.weighting 14,000+ that we run from 1976 untill 2004 doing things it was not designed to do,(pulling 24 ft. cult.,23ft disc & etc.when the bigger tractors were tied up),Sheared the bolts on the ring gear off once But Deere had a problem one year with their bolts on all tractors in a short time period.

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buickanddeere

04-02-2006 21:22:35




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to massey333, 04-02-2006 07:43:37  
How do you calculate the math to have a 4020 out perform a 6603 2WD let alone a 6603 M4WD?



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massey333

04-03-2006 06:36:57




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to buickanddeere, 04-02-2006 21:22:35  
Very simple,the 6603 and its like in other brands are high HP utility tractors,nothing more,nothing less.Take the 3 point hitch off them and you are done for.Example 800 Ford vs Farmall M,Massey 44 etc on a Drawbar load,the Ford or whatever will pull 1/2 to 3/4 the load with difficulty.4WD will help but you are not going to put 5-16 or 6 or 15-20ft.disc,16 or 24 row planter on them and be satisfied.The same as a 3010 would never do what a 720-730 would do on drawbar work.WT PLUS CID rules.

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buickanddeere

04-03-2006 14:21:12




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to massey333, 04-03-2006 06:36:57  
I believe what the Nebraska test results show. It's an even playing field where everybody has to play by the same rules. The 6603 is no utilty tractor. The p.o.s 5000 series are over grown garden tractors however. Pass them by and go right to a 6003, 6015 or 6020 series.



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massey333

04-03-2006 16:16:18




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to buickanddeere, 04-03-2006 14:21:12  
I'am baseing my views on past exp..When you start comparing 4 vs.2 wd.traction,your apples to oranges.Your 6000 series 2wd will not stand up to the 4020 on heavy draft loads at all.Not enough beef.I don't have aFWD because they never impressed me on their perf.and high maint.factor.The 7-8000 around us get rebuilt every12-18 months.I don't know of any 6000s around,all 5000s or 7000s so there must be a reason.The 4020 weighted 14,000 in Neb. test which I think your 6603 would break into weighting that much. To each his own.

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buickanddeere

04-03-2006 21:30:03




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to massey333, 04-03-2006 16:16:18  
7-8000?



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massey333

04-04-2006 04:16:11




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to buickanddeere, 04-03-2006 21:30:03  
Iam sorry I didn't put series down,but the 7000 series is the replacement for the 4020-4320-4520 series.ON my last tractor purchase in the 95 to 115hp range,I looked and played for 3 to 4 months for everything in that range and they(dealers) pretty much said in 4FWA on else,look for something bigger framed for heavy draft loading(like I was doing)so I got a 7020 series.Your 6603, CIH Maxxims,MF,Agcro in that range are all utility type Tractors.You are 100% right on Neb. test data but that doesn't always work in the field,Only a GUIDE line.Have a nice day Iam done.

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jdemaris

04-02-2006 07:15:57




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 4020 - 6603 fuel consumption? Not much different in reply to buickanddeere, 04-01-2006 21:06:45  
The 4020 was tested at Nebraska (1965) to run with a top fuel efficiency rated of 16.5 of horsepower hours per gallon of diesel fuel at 87 horsepower, 16 at 95 horse, or 14 at 84 horse. The 6603 Nebraska test (2002) rated it at 17.1 at 97 horsepower, 16 at 85 horse, and as low as 8.7 at 22 horsepower, etc. According to the printed figures, if anything, the 4020 was MORE fuel efficient when worked at 87 horsepower. I don't know how they compare at low horsepower ratings since the 4020 was not tested that low.

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buickanddeere

04-02-2006 21:46:55




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 Re: 4020 - 6603 fuel consumption? Not much differe in reply to jdemaris, 04-02-2006 07:15:57  
97.02 HP at 2100 rated engine rpm for 17.11 HP/hr/gallon. 98.37 HP at pto speed and 17.34 hp/hr/gallon. 101.71HP at 1950 rpm and 18.01 hp/hr/gallon. I'll take the new 6603 in order to get a new 4020 with warrenty and to avoid fixing this and that all the time on a 34+ year old machine. The new cab is quieter on the ears, the M4WD wastes less power due to slippage plus the extra pulling power. And over several thousand hours of operation the 6603 will consume less $$$ in fuel, which isn't getting any cheaper.

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jdemaris

04-01-2006 19:51:21




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
The entire 20 series was one of Deere's best efforts and quite a refreshing change after some of the 10-series dogs (not all 10s were bad). The 1020, (300), 2020 -were great utility tractors. The 2520, 3020, and 4020 tractors were, in many ways over-built. In regard to popularity, I meet more people looking for 2520s than 4020s - but maybe it's a regional thing. I see 4020s for sale all over the place. there are three 4020s sitting down the road from me that have been for sale for half a year. That won't happen with a 2520, because they sell fast.
We sold 4020s new and many of those buyers are still using them on the farm. When the 4030 came out, things went the other way. We had some angry customers who bought 4030s thinking it was an improved 4020 - and it was not. Especially considering the 4030 engine, which is not built anywhere near as heavy as the 4020 engine. Deere had to quickly come out with new advertising literature informing 4020 owners that the 4230, and not the 4030, was a suitable replacement. 4020 is a rock-solid tractor and simple to work on. The only flaw I find with it is the full-hydraulic brakes and steering - which usually will not work at all if the engine quits. I had it happen coming down a steep hill and I d*mn near got killed. I could also gripe about the early ones with that God-awful Delco designed 12V pos -12V neg - 24V cranking system, but it got dropped in short order. We had an IH dealer a short distance from our Deere dealership, and they had a similar sized tractor that was every bit as popular as the Deere 4020 - and just as rugged from what I heard. I can't think of the IH model, but it was of similar size to the Deere 4020, and was the #1 choice for tractor-pulls back when it hadn't become a big business yet.

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RN

04-01-2006 20:29:19




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jdemaris, 04-01-2006 19:51:21  
IHC similar to 4020? Try 560 model, also 656, 706 models, early sales competitors to JDs last big twins and first newgens. JD engineers knew they had to at least match some IHC models. This will restart the color feud. Get your green and red paint cans out, back-to-back, take 5 steps, turn and spray. RN.



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Joe(TX)

04-03-2006 06:19:51




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to RN, 04-01-2006 20:29:19  
I think the 560 and the 656 are more comparable to a 3010/3020 than a 4010/4020. There is a big hp differance.



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jdemaris

04-02-2006 06:48:00




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 My commentary on the Deere Company in reply to RN, 04-01-2006 20:29:19  
Now that you mention it, I think it's the 656 I was hearing about when we were selling 4020s. We had several customers that had green and red. At that time, the local IH dealer was shutting down, so we had some IH customers considering changing over to Deere. Many that DID change only did so because the local dealer was gone. There was no Internet then, and having a dealer nearby was important for parts and product support. On the subject of "green versus red", we also had a battle or "Deere yellow versus IH yellow."
Deere made some major changes in their industrial line, especially backhoes when the Deere "C" series came out. We had several angry customers who bought new machines that would not lift what the old ones did (of the same size). Many swithed to IH at that time because of that. In regard to brand-loyalty?? I worked on Deere stuff my whole life and got kind of sick of looking at them. At one time though, I had a lot or respect for the company and how it was run. Up to the 80s, it was the only tractor company left that had orignal family members involved with it. We had Deere "block" men that helped us with mechancial problems on new Deere stuff - and most of them were old-timers with years of hands-on experience - many former mechanics and/or farmers. Late 80s, early 90s that all changed. Deere would send us "engineers" when we had problems, fresh out of school, and absoltuely clueless. Grease-monkeys like me would often figure out how to fix their problems. Deere even gave me a "golden belt-buckle" award once for coming up with a fix for one of their new PowerShifts. Also, Deere representatives used to make the claim that they'd warranty any part, forever, if it was found to be defective and Deere was at fault (not worn out). Now, you can hardly get warranties honored after a few years. It's the corporate mindset that exists just about everywhere nowadays. Then, Deere Company tried to bully my 80 year old boss. He was a self-made millionaire who got his start chicken farming. His creed was - until he died - that no business deal was worth making unless BOTH parties benefitted. That mind-set is getting rare. He owned all the buildings and property at the dealership, and we had the Ag., Industrial, Forestry, and Consumer contracts with Deere. Late 80s to the early 90s, Deere threatened him - even though he was a top dealer in the Northeast, and told him they wanted separate stores for each contract - which would mean a huge investment for an old man. He told them flat-out "no." So, they tried to find a new investor to come to our area and "take over." Several tried, but none were able to do it. Finally, he got sick of the crap from Deere Co., and also from labor unions trying to force their way in, closed the business and retired - and died shortly after. The point to my story is - I have many great memories attached to Deere tractors and the company. But, the company as I knew it, no longer exists.

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JK-NY

04-02-2006 18:13:47




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 Re: My commentary on the Deere Company in reply to jdemaris, 04-02-2006 06:48:00  
Curiosity has got the best of me - who was the JD dealer you worked for ?



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jdemaris

04-02-2006 19:06:51




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 Re: My commentary on the Deere Company in reply to JK-NY, 04-02-2006 18:13:47  
Laneway Inc. founded by Jim Lane. Two dealerships later consolidated into one in Oneonta, NY.



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Billy NY

04-02-2006 11:05:14




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 Re: My commentary on the Deere Company in reply to jdemaris, 04-02-2006 06:48:00  
Same thing happened to us with ford motor company, we owned the buildings, the lot etc. we started pushing the sales on backhoes and they told us that the other local dealer would handle the industrial sales, not us, after we sold 29 hoes to the power company, niagara mohawk, which took a while to get them to purchase ford, we also had a lot of sales to other people in the construction industry, agricultural sales were dropping, although the tractors were good models, you could not win with the corporate mentality. Can you imagine, to their own demise, they were telling us not to sell their product in not so many words, favoring another dealer for industrial sales and we were outselling them in that area. Unfortunately it led to the demise of our long time dealership. Our place was around since 9N's were on the lot and continuously in business until the mid 70's. JD was more popular with the farmers here, but there was always a market for the fords, especially in the utility, and mowing arena, popular with schools etc.

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RN

04-01-2006 17:47:31




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
At the time of introduction JD tried to get the more than 2 cylinder tractor right and beat IHC, Case, AC, Oliver competition. JD engineers copied/borrowed best from competition and added extra metal where they were concerned about breakage- carryover from twin production. Transmission gears were strong from old twin days also. Developement was done when JD had enough money to do it mostly right and competition was pushing them in market to go to 4 and 6 cylinder engines- the result was a reasonable advanced, reliable, balanced featured, very usable tractor in a strong market. Still very usable and reasonably priced compared to new tractor. RN

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Mike M

04-01-2006 17:34:01




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
I guess you would have to own one to understand. They are just good tractors.

Now I'd really like to know what is so great about an 8 N Ford ? I have owned some of them and I just didn't care for them. To each his own.



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Bill(Wis)

04-02-2006 05:32:36




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to Mike M, 04-01-2006 17:34:01  
There is a cult like following of the 9/8N Ford. They have found their niche with the make believe farmers who mow grass and tend to a few horses. I'm not slamming them as they were originally intended to replace a team of horses on a 40-80 acre farm and Ford, with there mass production expertise, could turn them out by the hundreds of thousands. We considered them absolutely unsafe at the time for the type of farming we did and there was no way they could pull two plows in red clay. In fact, we called them "garden tractors" long before there was such a thing. Ford didn't have the two plow pulling power that we needed until the 800 series came along in about 1955. For personal entertainment, I recommend reading the Ford 8/9N board posts to see all of the problems, particularly ignition, that N's have to this day.

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davpal

04-02-2006 11:21:21




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to Bill(Wis), 04-02-2006 05:32:36  
I agree with you Bill that a 9n is better suited for a 1 bottom plow than two. In certain conditions the two would be ok but when the going gets tough there is no way. I was trying to plow some canary grass with mine and I gave up. It was worthless and I figured the way it was bucking and snorting I was going to fall off and get ran over. I told my dad I had more respect for the farmers of the old days after doing that. The 9n is a survivor because of the niche that it fell in. Not too big, not to small, kind of just right for most hobbies. The electrical problems are more of a case of people just not knowing how to work on mechanical things. If you put ten people out with ten 9n's with a bad set of points four of them would fix it perfectly and you would never hear about it again, four of them would do it half arsed and complain about it every day and two of them would never get it running and park it out behind the barn and sell it for $600 dollars! I am going to chuckle about the 9n trying to pull the 2 bottom plow in the red clay all day now. Have a good one.

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Dachshund

04-02-2006 08:49:13




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to Bill(Wis), 04-02-2006 05:32:36  
Just another case of someone bashing something they don't understand! 8^)



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RN

04-01-2006 20:55:39




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to Mike M, 04-01-2006 17:34:01  
8N? Ford made a lot of them relatively cheap, the 3pt was at the time a safety step above towed plows and other hitchs. Model A type engine was proven, a couple steps up from Fordson T type engine. Had enough power to replace a pair of large horses or a 4 horse/mule team. 8N had a cultivator that could do 2 passes on a corn field, fair hay mower. Competition from Farmall W14/F14, B, C and JD B, AC B- Ford was known as better plow tractor at the time, others could cultivate and turn with mower better. The Ferguson 3pt hitch set a standard for the time of manufacture that is still current. Lot of better/ more featured tractors now- but old 8N can still do a lot of light farm work/ heavy garden work for about 1/2 the price of new garden tractor. IHC super C with fast hitch would be my first choice for 20/25hp tractor, but Ford had already made a lot of 9Ns, 8Ns before fast hitch was on market. RN

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Dachshund

04-02-2006 12:39:15




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to RN, 04-01-2006 20:55:39  
Yeah - my 1949 8N does most of the work around my 100 acres! About the only thing it doesn't do is loader work. In my soil it will pull a 2 bottom plow, no problem. I cultivate, plant, mow (sickle and hog), disc, use my PHD (runs it better than my 460 or 454 IH), blade, rake, pull wagons, just about everything. My larger tractors sit most of the time. Wouldn't ever want to give it up!
A JD 4020 is a good machine. There are a lot of them around here and lots of people run them. Not a big Greenie fan, but they make good machines.

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mj

04-02-2006 03:33:40




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to RN, 04-01-2006 20:55:39  
The best part of the Fords was the Ferguson System. A lot of farmers laughed at it when introduced. All of the other manufactuers tried to get around it but it's the standard now.



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davpal

04-01-2006 18:31:39




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to Mike M, 04-01-2006 17:34:01  
I used a couple of 4010 John Deeres for years and they were really nice machines. Lots of power, built heavy, nice working 3 point, power steering was silky smooth, fit and finish was great and I even got used to those wierd shifters and even liked that after a while. These were both diesels and both eventually ended up with turbo's which made a great difference in the power department. Now whats to like about a 8n ford, lets see, can buy one for $2000 dollars or under everywhere, parts are everywhere, oem and aftermarket. Sleeve and pistons for about $150 bucks, 3 point equipment everywhere, radiators for $100 dollars, will pull a one or two bottom plow for gardens, 6 foot disks, 6 foot scraper blade for snow, chains for tires for Around $100 bucks, brush hogs work good with them, run on sides of hills and ditches very stable, have virtually no loss of value no matter how long you own them, (like money in a cd at the bank). Are very good on gas, pull very good for their size, my 9n pulled 205% on a stone boat last year at our local pull, no problems with overheating, easy to get on and off, easy to haul on a car hauling trailer, nice for moving trailer or parking gravity boxes with the front bumper installed, and 65 years later they are still running fine. In the fourties they were considered a 80 acre farm tractor believe it or not ( I wouldn't want to have to do it) so they are just about all a hobby farmer would need. If you go to the dealers now and buy something equivilant you would spend a lot of cash and any brand would depreciate more than the cost of the 8n in the first year you own it. My friend works at a jd dealer and he say they still recieve almost as many calls for people looking for 8n stuff as they do the jd stuff. It makes him mad because he doesn't like the 8n either. I guess it is what you said, "to each his own" Later.

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Dave from MN

04-01-2006 16:59:07




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 Re: what is so great about the john deere 4020 in reply to jlmtractor, 04-01-2006 16:57:06  
It is a good, dependable, strong, nice handling machine. I like red, but other colors make nice ones also, be it red,orange yellow or green.



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