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Hurst

03-27-2006 18:06:47




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We are going to grow some alphalfa this year and right now we just have a disc mower. I know we need a conditioner to bale the alphalfa. Is there anyone that makes a standalone conditioner that I can buy in ky? Dad doesn't want to trade in the disc mower, so any help on where to find one of these would be great. Thanks

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kyhayman

03-27-2006 18:56:17




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 Re: Hay condtioners in reply to Hurst, 03-27-2006 18:06:47  
I've had a NH haybine since 1985, and raised (and tried to cure) alfalfa since 1991 in central Kentucky. But, I havent used the haybine on alfalfa since I bought a tedder. For years, at the Ky Alfalfa Conference I kept hearing tedder/tedder/tedder. I didnt believe it at first but finally bought a cheap tedder and tried it, not like you see most people do but how they recommended. I cant tell the difference in curing or leaf loss over the haybine.

The next year I sold my cheap tedder and bought a 'real' one. Most important thing I have to make hay. The key is when to use it. Most people wait too long, and the curing benefit isnt there, plus the leaf shatter is intolerable. I cut no more than 4 hrs at a time for dry hay, then tedder. It takes the same amount of time running it even though it covers twice as much width, I run at 50% ground speed (once again against conventional wisdom).

Alfalfa only loses moisture two ways. Continuing respiration out of the leaves until they wilt and out ouf areas of the stem that are either broken or bruised. A conditioner simply cracks the cuticle layer. Tedding gives the same effect, along with bruising of the stem which sets the green color (just like standing on tobacco tips on the wagon sets the undesirable greens).

Certainly I could buy a new discbine, but $$ has been an issue. Its on the purchase list b/c it will save time, not that it makes any better hay than the combo. BTW, I am keeping the haybine, since a disc mower still doesnt like to cut soybeans, lol.

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Hurst

03-27-2006 19:18:31




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 Re: Hay condtioners in reply to kyhayman, 03-27-2006 18:56:17  
kyhayman,
If I understand correctly, I just need to disc mow the alphalfa (8 acres, so about 4 or 5 hours at most) and then as soon as I finish, start teddering where I started mowing? We have a 163 NH tedder, so that is not a problem. I need any information you have about growing alphalfa, this will be our first year. We are going to grow a mix of timothy grass and alphalfa (horse hay). I am in central ky (Midway, ky) if that helps with drying conditions? We normally tedder in 5th gear on our ford tractors, so for alphalfa, would 3rd gear be about right? Does a tedder do the same thing almost as those new flail conditioners you see on mowers by taking the waxy coating off the stem and bruising/cracking the stem? Thanks for your help. Any way to save money and use what we have right now will be a big help, as you already seem to know too. Horse farming isn't doing much better than anything else. Maybe one of these days it will all come back.

Hurst

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kyhayman

03-27-2006 19:35:03




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 Re: Hay condtioners in reply to Hurst, 03-27-2006 19:18:31  
I'm next door in Anderson/Mercer Co. I normally cut in 5th gear with a Ford with 28's on it. Net cut with an 8' bar for me is about 3.5-4 acres per hour . So you should be done in 2 or so. Dont ted too soon or it wont bruise. Yes, its the same process as the impeller (flail) conditioners. I'd start teddding 4 hrs after you start cutting. For me, I ted in 3rd on a Ford which has 34's on it.

For timothy/alfalfa (my main bill payer), I try to plant in the fall no til. Soil test, lime, and fertilizer is critical. Lime needs to be down 6 mo before planting. Spring plantings are ok but the first year is never worth much, and esp if planted in the spring. Varieties I like are Alfagraze for the alflafa (even fields I dont graze) with part in Clair and part in Climax timothy (spreads harvest). Rates, I use 8# timothy, 20# coated alfalfa (set the drill on 15#, the coated seed flows faster). A good drill is hard to find in W.C., I think all the rentals are Tye units (which I detest, the coulters are always set and rusted to plant too deep). Dont skimp on getting the burn down right if you notil or getting a good seed bed if conventional.

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Bison

03-27-2006 18:36:48




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 Re: Hay condtioners in reply to Hurst, 03-27-2006 18:06:47  
You don"t NEED a conditioner,but it will make the dry down faster. it depends on how many acres you are going to hay, for lets say 50 acres it is hardly worth the expense of a conditioner. then you are better of to borrow or rent a haybine. I have cut alphalpha for years with a normal swather and if the hay got too dry I baled it at night.

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Andrew from KY

03-27-2006 18:32:34




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 Re: Hay condtioners in reply to Hurst, 03-27-2006 18:06:47  
You can find an old hay conditioner that you pull through the field after you mow it, if you look long enough. In my opinion you might as well find a decent older haybine, since they can be for about $1000.



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Dean in iowa

03-27-2006 18:32:21




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 Re: Hay condtioners in reply to Hurst, 03-27-2006 18:06:47  
a condioner really helps in drying the alafalfa faster and more evenly. Without conditioning the leafs dry faster than the stems which results in a great amount of leaf loss. If your interested in a conditioner, contact me.



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