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Nathan in Texas

03-27-2006 13:06:03




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Okay, I've about decided on getting a 30' X 40' steel building put up. I've been quoted $12,150 for it with a 4" slab, overhead door, 1 entry door and a window and 12' tall walls.

What is going to go in the building is my Kubota L4200, 2 - Suzuki 250cc ATV's, Yamaha FZR 1000 Motorcycle, 46" Murray riding lawnmower, 1 push lawnmower plus my tools, a small welder and hopefully enough room to have a nice workshop area that I can start adding things like a table saw, drill press, etc. down the road.

I'm trying to decide if I want to have another 12 or 16 foot lean too put on the side of it to put my rotary mower, blade, maybe 12' and 16' trailers, etc. out of the worst weather but not take up space inside the building. Maybe even a small square hay baler or swather sometime down the road. I've thought about having the roof on the lean too part shorter than the rest to give it a little more protection. The price for adding the lean too on the side is pretty high compared to the price of the building overall, about $3,000 without cement. This is in West Texas where the sun is the worst part of the weather for equipment sitting outside. We get some rain but overall equipment left outside usually doesn't rust up, but tires and paint get to cracking from the sun fairly quickly. I also thought about putting cement on part of the lean too portion so I could set my quickattach loader on it when I wanted to do some stuff without the loader.

I'm trying to make up my mind on this and would appreciate any thoughts or input.

Thanks, Nathan

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Mark - IN.

03-27-2006 20:27:00




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 Re: Barn size and related questions in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-27-2006 13:06:03  
If possible, go as wide as you can on the width of a steel pole building. You can always grow the length if you need to by taking the back wall down, and out she goes every time money or needs dictate or allow in years or months to come. Can't make it wider than the roof is once it's up. A lean-two? You wouldn't be the first, and won't be the last if that's the way you decide to go. Can always enclose it later if you need or can afford to. Figure out what your needs are, do what you can afford. Its your money and your needs.

Hope it all works out well for you. And just because you'll have a roof over their heads, doesn't mean you still can't put coffee cans over their stacks. An old habit.

Mark

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ChrisLSD

03-27-2006 16:50:19




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 Re: Barn size and related questions in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-27-2006 13:06:03  
4" is plenty thick for concrete - the important part is what is under the concrete - if the stuff under it fails then even the best concrete fails -



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MN Bob

03-27-2006 14:56:03




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 Re: Barn size and related questions in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-27-2006 13:06:03  
If you can go 16 feet on the lean-to is that one side or both? If both I suggest wider building and one side lean-to. At least 16 inch over hang to direct water/snow away. At least 6 inch floor,stressed for 1 1/2 to 2 times the weight of what you think now, and be sure footings are poured with lean-to in mind for weight. I would not worry about concrete in the lean-to unless $ or no problem. Later it can be added. Use treated wood to get tires off the ground, same with to loader. I like a steep roof for snow here but just be sure you can keep a decent pitch on the lean-to. consider putting one or two cement blocks above ground and build on that. Just thoughts from the north.

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steve from mo - dangit!

03-27-2006 13:26:00




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 Ooh! Spending someone else's money! in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-27-2006 13:06:03  
Run conduit for wiring and plumbing under the concrete even if you don't ever plan to put them in. Things change.

If you can manage it consider using thicker concrete, and rebar. Four inches is not enough if you ever pull anything heavy into that shed, and you will. Make the foundation deep enough for a rat wall.

Bigger is always better - ask how much more the next size barn would cost you. Ask them why the lean-to is so costly - you might want to build that separately.

Concrete on the lean-to would be nice but probably not necessary. Also, consider using trusses that allow you to put in flooring for storage.

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

03-27-2006 14:09:59




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 Re: Ooh! Spending someone else's money! in reply to steve from mo - dangit!, 03-27-2006 13:26:00  
Like Steve said - I would ask what the price of a building as wide as the proposed building plus lean-to would be. The way I always calculated them, a sidewall costs the same whether it is 1" or 16" in from the edge. I would get all the building width I can now - the lean-to can always be added later for about the same cost. Assuming from your description you are talking wood frame, 8" increments are generally the most cost effective sizes.

Good Luck,

Bill

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Nathan in Texas

03-27-2006 14:21:08




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 Re: Ooh! Spending someone else's money! in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 03-27-2006 14:09:59  
No, it is a steel frame.

The 30' x 40' is about double the building that I think I will need. Everything I have will fit in a 20' X 30' pretty easily but wouldn't leave me much room for working on stuff.

Where I will put the building it really will be harder to make it longer than 40'. I have a little room to make it wider but was thinking that would be where the lean too would be.

How heavy would something need to be to break 4" thick cement? And what is a rat wall? If I don't have any rats do I need a rat wall?

I was planning on doing the plumbing and electrical for sure.

Thanks for the input so far.

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Stan(PA)

03-28-2006 10:29:01




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 Re: Ooh! Spending someone else's money! in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-27-2006 14:21:08  
As ChrisLSD said, 4" concrete on a GOOD BASE will hold alot more weight than 6" concrete on a POOR BASE! 4" on a good base will hold more weight than you will probably ever need, but if it makes you feel better, go with 5". Most important is the base under the concrete.



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

03-27-2006 18:18:44




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 Re: Ooh! Spending someone else's money! in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-27-2006 14:21:08  
If the site is dry, I would consider a floating slab building with a 5" floor and 9" edges, plus thicker where the anchor bolts will be. I would go with the wider building and omit the lean-to, with door son the side to slip you equipment into.

Are you insulating?

Bill



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rustyj14

03-29-2006 15:39:45




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 Re: Ooh! Spending someone else's money! in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA, 03-27-2006 18:18:44  
Just remember----no matter how big you build it----it'll shrink quickly----and it'll never be big enough! and it won't be rain that makes it shrink!!



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