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Rboulware, about your tractor decision.

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Jonfarmer

03-24-2006 07:03:39




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I have all 2wd tractors, I would like to replace my 2wd International 484 (40hp) with a 2250 loader with one of same size with MFWD. MFWD stands for "Mechanical Front Wheel drive", not Massey Furgueson, as someone had already pointed out. It can also be referred to as "Front Wheel Assist". What I am looking for is something that is small enough that it will fit in my buildings, and be able to maneuver it on this small hobby farm, I want something I can use in the woods. The trouble with having 2wd on my loader tractor is the ground is somewhat wet on this place, and that darn loader will sink the front end, I currently have 7.50-16's on the front. This is a beautiful tractor otherwise, and works real well on hard surfaces. I have ran everything from big 150hp rowcrops to a 20hp Farmall A, and I can say from experience is they will all do the same work, just the bigger ones with more horsepower will take bigger impliments and get more done in a given amount of time. Now with a 100hp 2wd, you could probably pull a 4 bottom super easy, but with one of those articulators you talked about, you could pull 15 bottoms, which is great for large acreage, like 2,000 acres, but you can't plow a garden very well with it!. I have a hobby farm here, my biggest tractor is that 484 international, I have bought impliments to fit it, such as a 7 foot mower cutditioner, 7' rear blade, 6ft brushhog, 2 bottom plow, etc... it handles each of them real well because it's correctly sized, and if I did go bigger on horsepower, I would need to trade in all my impliments for bigger ones. But the trouble with that is bigger stuff won't fit on my place, it has to be nimble, I got small places that it needs be to able to operate in. You need to really evaluate your needs, figgure out how much you realisticly need, how much time you have you have to work on it, etc... I can plow 1,000 acres with my 2 bottom plow, but it would take me awhile, so in that case, I'd want a bigger tractor IF I had that much to do.

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Jim Johnson

03-25-2006 04:06:08




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-24-2006 07:03:39  
Well all I can tell you is that my farther-in-law has a 37 HP Kubota FWD with a loader and it is great to use around the barns and lots, in the woods,to till the garden, I use it all the time and it's almost as handy as a Bobcat. Actually if I had to choose between one or the other I'd choose the tractor. One of the landlords where I rent pasture has a 40 HP JD and it's really good also(man did I really say that about a JD) They are great when it's muddy out and with the hydrostat they are really handy. If you try one you will really like it. Hope that helps

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rboulware

03-24-2006 20:03:24




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-24-2006 07:03:39  
From the Expriance that I had with my JD 5020 there are three things that concern me the most. Number one is SAFTY. I think this could be solved with ROPS and common sense. I hope that I am not over estimating what these ROPS's can do. I am thinking if I had an ROPS then I do not have to worry about the tractor rolling over on me. Is that so?

The second is reliability. It would be absolutly TERRIBLE if I bought one of these thangs and the motor spins a bearing or throws a rod, or all of a sudden the tranny has catostrophic failure. This would be DEVESTATING!! What in the WORLD would I do with a big ol machine broke down in the woods or the feild. I would not know what to do. Yes I have worked on cars and rebuilt motors and all, and have mechanical abilities. But these tractors are HEAVY to say the VERY least!! And they are expensive to fix. This is REALLY my only REAL worry when it comes to size. It is simply easier to fix a small "yanmar" type tractor than it is a big 7520 or 4020 for that matter. The are not complicated, I have the shop book on the 4020"s and 5020"s. They are just bulcky and heavy to move those parts around. If not having to worry about repair was no longer an issue....heck the answer is easy....GET A 6030!!! But, haveing to deal with break downs is my major concerned second to being safe. All the other particulars at this point....no big deal. I have about 50 acres of rough open land that I just want to do something with besides let sit there. I could either pull a big disk through the stuff and bust those rotten stumps up or I could manuver in around with a heavy duty bush hog. At this point I really don't have to be specific... Now one thing that DID happen with my 5020 was that I got stuck. Kind of a bothersome really when you think that a tractor is king of off road and it getting stuck. This is my only reason for EVER wanting 4x4. It is so I have much less chance of getting stuck. I had diff locking on my 5020 but I had no idea what it was until the wrecker came an pulled me out. I bet if I would have known what that was I would have kept my 100 bucks. Any way I loved that 5020, to this day is was the biggest mistake I made selling it. It is too late now.....Oh well....had alot of fun on that thing

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Jonfarmer

03-25-2006 09:49:38




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to rboulware, 03-24-2006 20:03:24  
Heck, buy a nice utility tractor!, 50 acres could easily be taken care of with my 484 with a 2 bottom plow and a 10ft disk. It's only rough the first time over it and then it gets easier, too bad you didn't use that 5020 you had to go over it the first time. You don't need the big power for 50 acres, just think, my grandpa had 600 acres he farmed back in the 50's and his biggest tractor was a Farmall M. My 484 weighs in at exactly 6,000lbs with a full tank of fuel (only 15 gallons), the loader side plates on, and no driver. My 484 is also a fuel sipper, you can get a days work out of it off 5 gallons of diesel, it's got a 3 cylinder International D-179 diesel in it, great little tractor thats really quite powerful for it's size. Also after the 84 series, the 85 and newer series had MFWD as an option.

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rboulware

03-25-2006 13:36:35




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-25-2006 09:49:38  
Man I still kick my self for saling that 5020!!! man!!! To think I sold it to buy a 65 mustang!! I got took!

I don't know I might get me another 5020 or 6030 again....the 5020 and the 6030 are esintially the same tractor...



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steveormary

03-24-2006 10:53:28




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-24-2006 07:03:39  
Just because you get a tractor with more hp doesnt mean you have to get bigger equipment

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Jonfarmer

03-24-2006 11:46:10




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to steveormary, 03-24-2006 10:53:28  
Yes, but then you won't be using it to it's full potential either, so you'll burn more fuel to do the same work.



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steveormary

03-25-2006 09:06:17




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-24-2006 11:46:10  
Not necesarily so. The bigger tractor may not have to work as hard and could possibly go faster. Thus saving time and fuel.

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Jonfarmer

03-25-2006 09:59:20




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to steveormary, 03-25-2006 09:06:17  
Thats also true.



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Mike M

03-24-2006 09:53:23




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-24-2006 07:03:39  
Or ??? You could just get a team of horses ?

I hear that some are going back to them. And some never gave up on them.



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Dave from MN

03-24-2006 07:49:24




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Jonfarmer, 03-24-2006 07:03:39  
Rboulware, It sounds like from the last post with all the responses you are really up in the air as to what you want. I think you need to sit down and write down what you KNOW you need to demand from whichever tractor you buy. Next you need to think what you may need that same tractor to do in , say the next 5 years- Then start shopping and researching tractor options and pricing in your area make it a large area. Stop in at a few farm's and visit with the owner, most will be glad to show you what THEY have and let you know what it can do with what they have for implements and their soil type. They can tell ya what the biggest issues have been with that certain machine while they owned it. I am right now dealing on a 1586 IH, a 756D IH, both are good deals and good tractors. The 1586 is way more than I would need unless I start running alot more ground once i start running my own. The 756 I am debating on the investment vs getting a tractor with easier starting motor and MFWD, I have some low spots and could do the feilds the nieghbor lets sit because his 4020 w/o duals cant get in there and get er done. Everytime I see what I want, I make sure it is at least what I need, but not way more than I need. Once you know that, there that perfect tractor for you will be, right in that lot or right in that farmers yard ready for you to make it work.

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IaGary

03-24-2006 14:33:25




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Dave from MN, 03-24-2006 07:49:24  
Dave if that field is that wet FWD isn't going to make the crop grow.
It still needs to be drained.
I have FWD and I still stay out of the fields untill there dry or I will do more damage than good.
Fwd is to put more horsepower to the soil in normal conditions not to mud in crops.
My personal opinion is any thing more than 150hp is to much for 2wd.To keep tires from slipping on 150 plus hp you need to much weight so thats where the fwd comes in.
If your going to buy 85 hp fwd for field work there is to much extra upkeep and purchase cost on the front axle to justify it. Why not just get 100hp tractor and save money.

Now when it comes to front end loaders thats a differant story because of unbalanced loads on the rear axle.

Just my thoughts.

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Essex tri-directional sal

03-24-2006 09:02:30




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 Re: Rboulware, about your tractor decision. in reply to Dave from MN, 03-24-2006 07:49:24  
Where's the guy with the Essex tri-directional. Wouldn't that solve everything. Heard they went out of business years ago. Wonder why?



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