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old fashioned f

01-14-2006 06:44:57




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Howdy,

Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. I've been askin about a 1209 JD haybine on here recently and had one lined up at the IH dealership I work at. Spent last Saturday morning with the new salesman gettin a tractor hooked up to it to hear it and see it run. Rolls were out of time but didn't have any damage. Everything worked great on it and the only part that looked to need work was some of the seals and gaskets. I had it pretty much in my pocket for 1100. I could have had it for less but didn't want the salesman to cost it out. He's just recently married and I wanted him to get some sort of comission, even if I had to pay him off to the side for him to get it. Anyway, went home on Thursday and told dad about my plan to haul it home from work today. I had talked about it before and asked if he wanted to take a look at it some afternoon while I was here at work. He told me then that he didn't know anything about haybines so it wouldn't do any good. I assumed that my decision on it would be fine since I have done all the research on 'em and whatnot. Well, Thursday I brought it up and told him I'd decided to buy it. Hammer went down that night. He pretty much put the brakes on it and said I didn't need to spend my money on the haybine when our baler was still broke and he wasn't in a secure full time job. On the baler front I did have intentions of trying to buy a JD 336, as I had found some good ones for reasonable prices around (I hadn't brought that up with him yet). As for the job thing, I don't know. He is still insecure about not having a full time job. However, I don't see what that has to do with running the little bit of hay we do have. I told him that my mower was broke and asked what we'd do about that. He said we'd hook up grandad's old wore out sickle mower to the JD 420. I'm pretty much wore out on this stuff. I love my old equipment and love to use it but shoot, we've had nearly all our hay crops get at least one rain on them and a haybine is pretty much the answer to that. I don't really know what to do. I can't force anything through since the farm is owned by dad and his two brothers. I just don't want to see the farm let go and that's what is happening. The guy who leases it doesn't care. He just wants to get the money and nothing else. Heck, I've been plowin and cultivating his corn for the last couple years without so much as a thank you. Anyway, I don't know. To be honest with you I think this all has more to do with mom and dad trying to force me to forget about the farm and go after the job I went to college for. The past two days have been miserable though. I decided to just forget about the farm work and let dad handle it so he can see that I am needed. Thinkin about not gettin to do that stuff has just eat me up inside. I could handle havin my ability to walk taken away easier than I can having farming taken from me. It's just who I am. It may seem like a crazy prayer request, but for those who do I would appreciate a word said on behalf of this situation. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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So.IL. Farmer

01-14-2006 20:28:21




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
Hello Old Fashioned if this is something that you really want to do I say go for it.Staring out to farm is very hard to do especially now days with the cost of equipment,land,ect.I remember when I started with my dad back in the 70's there was some disagreements between us,but we always talked it out. My dad wanted me to get job away from the farm too,but all I wanted to do was farm.I did nothing but farm for 20 years,but with the farming economy had to finally take a off the farm job.I scaled back my operation some but I still love to farm.Don't give up on your dream and I'll differantly will say a prayer for you John.

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Leland

01-14-2006 15:22:16




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
cutting 15-20 acres an hour is nice with a 1209 and besides for that you could pay it off fast doing custom cutting forothers I say buy it you can't really lose anything you can always get you money back .



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Glen in TX

01-14-2006 13:30:40




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
Family business is never a fun thing at times. Sounds all too familiar to me too. If you aren't leasing the farm or don't own it or a portion of it why should you spend all your money and time on it? Are you getting something back out of it? Even though it's family the farm has to be treated like a business and if someone else has it leased then it is their business to farm it. I sure wouldn't work for free for the guy leasing it. Let his failures in farming it be his own and not a joint venture. You may just have to find other things to do for a while and stay away from it for now and just go get your own acreage to lease and hay or farm. Then if that works for you and they see it is working for you make a offer to lease the family place or buy it. I know how you are feeling and been gradually walking away from the same situation myself. Take care.

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Mike M

01-14-2006 11:32:13




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
Sounds kinda familar. When you are at home you buy stuff together and everything seems fine,then somehow it isn't anymore and you have no land in your name,and know way to prove who paid for what. I've got some of my stuff straightened out and my own place,but still have alot of tools at Dads place that I bought or partially bought. I imagine it's going to be a mess when I have to sort it out.

I should of bought my own land sooner and put my money into my place. You may have to look over your situation and see if you wouldn't be better off to spend your money on land now instead of equipment. Then you will have your own stuff and they can't tell you what to do.

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Steven@AZ

01-14-2006 10:58:29




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
I hear ya, my current career choice was to support my farming habit. I am a teacher, vacation times come perfect for spring planting (last 3 weeks of April) and summer break works out good for haying (June through July). Unfortunately I miss harvest every year, but Dad does OK, hires some out when it's ripe and ready to get it in the bin.

I want to farm so badly it hurts sometimes. Some days I come home from work wishing I was heading out to the farm. But the reality for me right now is trying to pay off my bills from college, etc. while working 1500 miles away from home.

A few more years when things are paid off, I hope my wife and I can move home so I can be a large part of the farming operation once again... You're in my prayers for sure.

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Rich Iowa

01-14-2006 10:41:17




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
I know that feeling. I"m baling 5 acres of hay on my own with older, worn equipment on my dad"s acreage. Was going to buy some pigs, get into the hog business. My dad was all for it, bout a week before I started buying material, he decided he didn"t like the idea. Being his place, I didn"t have much room to argue with him. After that, I decided I have got to find a place of my own. Then his "girlfriend" moved in, that was it, As soon as I find a place, I"m getting all my equipment off that property. Like the others have said, if your name isn"t on paper, not much you can do. Hope everything works out for you.

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Lou

01-14-2006 10:25:28




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
This is a interesting and important topic, seems too me you better do your own thing and forget all the advice and criticism. In the end youll be happier making your own mistakes or successes. Good luck



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ErnieDD

01-14-2006 08:58:30




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
You don't say how old you are, and whose money you are spending other than its yours. Are you in partnership w/family or living at home and helping out.

So if you have a piece of the action (ie a formal partnership) or work for a wage ($xxx per week) and you are of the age of majority (>21), I figure buy it.

The best thing we did for our hay crop was to buy a old NH 469. We cut more hay per lap and eliminated 1 tractor in the field not having to condition. This was a dairy farm in 1972.

Now I am reading between the lines here. If you are out of college and living at home and don't have a formal work agreement.....it may be time to move out.

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ghostrider

01-14-2006 07:58:04




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
I can feel your pain. I now not only have my family but my inlaws trying to discourage me away from agriculture. I figured the best I can do is try to get a small farm now. Then hopefully I can "retire" to my family farm. Just here a while back everyone was riled up over an "idea" my spouce had about our family farm. I swear the fighting over how to run the farm in our family was terrible!

The equipment issue was a large problem with us. When the diff lets go in the main tractor in planting season and ends up costing $9000, it wipes out a large part of the profit for the year on a small wheat farm. I am probably taking the easy way out by working a straight job to build up retirement funds and have health insurance. It"s a gamble that the farm will stil be there in 30 years. I figure all of the buildings, fields and fences will be beyond repair in a few years. It"s really hard, but fighting is not the way I want to spend time with my family.

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Steve Crum

01-14-2006 07:18:56




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
In many ways I can relate.
First off there is no such thing as a 'secure job". Anybody is disposable, you need'nt ask how I know this.
Second, anybody that is doing anything other than sitting on their hands waiting to die, realizes that some risks need to be taken.
Third, you cannot do the job without the tools, and you cannot do the job efficently with junk. Newer more advanced technologies are developed with getting the job done more efficently foremost in the minds of the visionarys who developed them.
Fourth, everything has a "service life". As much as we like our old iron, common sense tells us that as much as we repair and scab together a piece, the overall picture is it will only do the job it was designed to do, and certainly not as effectively as when it was new. Back when a perticular mowing machine was made, mowing 40 acres a day was profitable. Today it't a losing proposition or break even at best. (refer to point three.)
And fifth, don't expect your father or uncles to change, they get their jollys just being contrary, I spent 40 years learning this. Most are more comfortable b***hing about how somebody screwed them over, or taking potshots at somebody that is succeeding by good old hard work. Most of these guys don't recognize the value of their own work, and how the outcome may have been if they had kept the pressure on.
Don't become discouraged, if you can't plow thru that wall, find a way around it. Establish your own identity and persue your own agenda. I started working in this direction years ago. I still hear 'Your so an so's stepson', I like to correct them with "no, so an so was my stepfather".

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Harley

01-14-2006 07:15:36




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to old fashioned farmer, 01-14-2006 06:44:57  
Well here is the age old problem. Me dad did the same thing to me back in 1970 when I got home from Nam. He was getting to the point that he couldn't handle it by himself and the whole time I was "over there" I just figured I would start helping out when I got home, being the only one that was interested in the farm anyway. He wouldn't have anything to do with that idea. Rented it out, to some nice neighbors, but rented it out. Maybe the best in the long run, cause close friends, and family especially shouldn't work together in a financial partnership. The quickest way in the world to alienate each other. I think it was mainly because he came up during the depression and he didn't want me to get "stuck" on the farm like he did. I still want to farm, and it wasn't till I met my present wife that I got to start, at the ripe age of 54. You couldn't drag me off now. About the only thing you can do with the setup like it is would be to just back off gracefully and without hard feelings and see how it goes and drop the hint about three times a day that you would sure like to help when needed. I don't know why our parents are sometimes so bullheaded and "can't see what's good for them" like we can. Maybe it's called experience or something, but Ya it bites sometimes, but without your name on the dotted line, there isn't much you can do about it. Maybe honey might in the long run collect more bees than vinigar. Don't know, but good luck, Harley

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730 virgil

01-14-2006 13:25:00




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to Harley, 01-14-2006 07:15:36  
harley i hear ya if not for susie we wouldn't be were we're at now . things haven't gone as we planned however her ms which hadn't be giving her trouble starting causeing her problems . i have pretty much quit my job to stay home to help her . has made a strain on things money wise we still hope to have more than 30 acres
but we don't have to answer to anyone other than ourselves as far as being bullheaded my dad could give lessons on that . i'd like to know why he was so disagreeable ; i never could talk to him without
him blowing his stack i never will know what that was about as he passed away almost 5 years ago

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RustyFarmall

01-14-2006 07:43:16




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to Harley, 01-14-2006 07:15:36  
Boy, don't I know the feeling. Both of my parents were raised on a farm, but somehow or other both of them were left out when it came to inheriting even a small portion of those farms. My dad did farm successfully by renting, but since he never was able to own a farm there was nothing for me to step into. I met my wife about 8 years ago, and because of her we now own a total of two acres. I have spent most of my working life making bearings in a factory, and now, at the age of 55, I am unemployed. Sometimes the chips just don't fall where you want them to.

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steveormary

01-14-2006 09:52:04




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 Re: trouble on the farm in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-14-2006 07:43:16  
Seems some family members always want to cause trouble. I wanted to buy the family farm. I had to scrap with Dad,one sister and the bank. I even bought a tractor which I caught heck for.I rented the farm for about 5 years and was finally able to make the purchase. Farmed till I run out of money and wife threatened to leave.
Retired due to health,sold out and moved south.

steveormary



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