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49 Farmall M 6V regulator

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Burntgate

01-13-2006 08:43:20




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After dropping in an 8V battery, found it necessary to adjust regulator to keep it charged. Generator now puts out 9.1V at wide open throttle. In process, however, I may have altered the cutout setting when I inadvertently and possibly bent the adjusting tab on the wrong coil. Not sure if I altered it, but need to know how to test for proper cutout level. After half hour of working tractor, battery charge is 8.5V and regulator still allowing charging. Should I run tractor longer to see when it will cut out or can you suggest a test for correct setting of the cutout? Any advice will be appreciated.

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Burntgate

01-13-2006 16:21:34




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 Re: 49 Farmall M 6V regulator in reply to Burntgate, 01-13-2006 08:43:20  
Bob M and John T:

Thanks much for the very helpful information. The charging does seem to be performing within the parameters you describe. This M has lights, but they were disconnected by previous owner and I haven"t needed them. System only has to handle starter and ignition. I plan to pick up a dropping resistor to cut coil input voltage down and protect the points. I will check battery and charging periodically during next operations of tractor now that I know what to watch for.

Thanks again.

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John T

01-13-2006 16:46:24




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 Re: 49 Farmall M 6V regulator in reply to Burntgate, 01-13-2006 16:21:34  
You dont need near as many of ohms in the 8 volt system ballast resistor (still needs to be power rated) as when you are using say a 6 volt coil on a 12 volt system. You could get by with none, lots of people dont use any on those 8 volt set ups, but the points and coil would still be running at just a tad over current and warmer. Instead of a typical 1.5 ohms ballast, you may only need 0.5 or less (depends on coils primary resistance) cuz all you wanna do is drop the 8.4 volts down in the 6 to 7 range. You can likely buy some around 0.5 ohms 25 watt wirewound power resistors at your local Rat Shack. The limiting factor is you dont want much over 4 to 5 amps flowing through the coil and being switched by the points. Ohm law can easily figure it all out for you.

John T

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Burntgate

01-14-2006 09:44:35




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 Re: 49 Farmall M 6V regulator in reply to John T, 01-13-2006 16:46:24  
John T:

Thanks for the additional info. I think I'll just leave it as is and see how the points hold up. Should they require too frequent replacement, I'll add the resistor.



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John T

01-13-2006 11:04:26




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 Re: 49 Farmall M 6V regulator in reply to Burntgate, 01-13-2006 08:43:20  
Burnt, a fully charged so called 8 volt battery should be around 8.4 volts, so if the genny at max output is only raising it to 8.5 thats sure NOT overcharging, although it could??? keep it charged depending on the lights or ignition loads.

As long as the Cutout Relay portion of the VR is pulling in and drops out at shut down or slow idle, I wouldnt worry too much about it, cuz as long as its pulled in, whatever the genny can deliver ????? is connected to the battery. Its true she may work with or without many VR adjustments, but dont expect it to be a workhorse charging system.

If its a 6 volt battery n coil ignition, the points may burn up a tad earlier.

Let us know

John T

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Bob M

01-13-2006 10:23:53




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 Re: 49 Farmall M 6V regulator in reply to Burntgate, 01-13-2006 08:43:20  
Burntgate - The cutout relay will drop out ONLY when the generator voltage drops lower than battery voltage - ie. at slow idle and when the engine is shut down.

Can test by watching the ammeter. From idle slowly increase the RPMs - the ammeter hand should suddenly "snap" from a few amps of discharge to 5 - 10 amps of charge when the cutout pulls in.

Conversely when slowing the RPMs down, as they approach idle the ammeter will briefly show a fairly substantial discharge (like 8 - 10 amps) then immediatley swing back to a couple amps discharge when the cutout opens.

And at shutdown down the ammeter should indicate exactly 0 after everything stops moving.

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If the cutout doesn't pull in above idle RPM, the spring tension is too HIGH. And if it remains pulled in at low idle or after shutdown, spring tension is too LOW.

If you must adjust the spring tension do it in smallest increments possible. Cutout relay spring adjustment is very sensitive as you will find!!

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