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daveinmaine

01-08-2006 15:51:45

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Bought my first, a 1971 IH 544 w/2001 loader it has cc loaded tires and ladder style chains but still is nearly useless in reverse on even the slightest grade. Would a a counter weight help and if so how much?

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Dave from MN

01-09-2006 13:54:18

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Dave I have a '70 544 with 2001 loader also. I have balding 15.5's ( no fluid), 3 sets weights on each rear tire. I am fine with the snowblower on the back up, when it is down and blowing in reverse I cant do any where on ice or wetter snow. Am gonna put the chains on this weekend, and in spring new tires with fluid.

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Joe MD

01-09-2006 12:42:55

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Dave,

I have a 504 with 2000 loader. It has loaded tires and large wheel weights (Not sure on weight) and good ag tires. No chains.

I cannot drive in more than 6 inches of snow without getting stuck. While I get stuck I can watch my neighbor tool around in his little 9n without getting stuck.

I think it has to do with the weight of the loader in the front.

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Leroy

01-09-2006 05:33:24

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Ladder style chanes are not ment for an ag tire, only turf type. They will not stay on top of the lugs but drop inbetween the lugs and you will not have chaine touching the ground, you need to tie the cross chains together in pairs to keep them on top of the lugs and then more weight on the rear, the actual weight of the blade will with the distance hanging out in back will act like it is twice as heavy and will do what twice the weight will on the rear wheels unless you are using the blade and not the front loader, then the rear blade will actually loose you traction as the weight will all be on the ground with you having to pull that weight plus the load

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Chris Pritchard

01-09-2006 15:21:40

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Re: Winter traction in reply to Leroy, 01-09-2006 05:33:24

You are absolutly right. We were looking at chains for our Belarus 820 (We had problems with it and ice, but our little gas Cat 22 bulldozer fixed that and came to the rescue...), and we spotted a single ladder chain sitting around. When we draped on the tire to see if it will fit, I noticed the chains like to fit between the lugs; not good if you ar looking for traction. Ladder chains work rather well on our Case backhoe, but that is because the lugs on the tires are slimmer.

logging skidder chains have a ring in the center that the other chains link to. One thing I might suggest with the existing chains is "Crossing" the ladder chains so the two form a "X" at the middle. this might solve the problem.

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ILL John

01-08-2006 18:18:33

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

I put a Western 7.5' hydro-turn blade on the 3 point hitch, no weight in the tires or anything else added, if it spins, just nudge the blade up a bit putting the load on the rear tires, and away you go!! It's on a 4 Star MM. The only problem is my neck gets stiff looking backwards all the time!!

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daveinmaine

01-08-2006 17:47:54

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Thanks for the ideas. Have a 6"scraper blade just didn"t think it would add enough weight. Will try it this week.

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daveinmaine

01-08-2006 17:46:00

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Thanks for the ideas. Have a 6"scraper blade just didn"t think it would add enough weight. Will try it this week.

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MGTPa

01-08-2006 16:34:21

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Yep, you need some weight to help hold those rear wheels to the ground. Have a Ford 3000 diesel with industrial type loader and bucket. Rear weight is a 55 gallon barrel filled with concrete
with a 3 pt hitch attachments embedded in the concrete. Only takes one minute to hook it up and, man, what a difference having that weight on makes!

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old

01-08-2006 16:45:19

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Re: Winter traction in reply to MGTPa, 01-08-2006 16:34:21

I my self tried the barrel thing years ago and found that the back blade and the 6 85lbs suit case weights worked better plus I could use the bale for other work at the same time. All a barrel does is sit there and can not be used for any thing but weight. I still have the barrels, 2 of them and all they do is sit and look ugly LOL

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MGTPa

01-08-2006 18:17:20

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Re: Winter traction in reply to old, 01-08-2006 16:45:19

Hmmm! An ugly barrel? Our barrel is colored to match the tractor and loader, looks real sharp. Yep, I see your point that all the barrel can do is provide weight. Hey, it works for us. A rear scraper or bale carrier would be more useful. Thanks and have a good evening.

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old

01-08-2006 16:44:16

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Re: Winter traction in reply to MGTPa, 01-08-2006 16:34:21

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Steven@AZ

01-08-2006 15:59:32

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

3-point bale fork with a bale on it. Traction when you want it by picking up a bale, then drop the bale when you don't need it.

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MSM

01-08-2006 15:57:41

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Possibly the addition of some weight to the 3 point,a scraper blade,or the addition of wheel weights. Also the chain crosslinks may be dropping down inside the bars on the tires,maybe tie 2 crosslinks together in the center with a repair link so they stay up on the bars.

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old

01-08-2006 15:55:00

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Re: Winter traction in reply to daveinmaine, 01-08-2006 15:51:45

Putting something like a back blade on helps a lot. I have a ford 841 with loader filled tires and I keep a back blade on it with 6 85lbs suit case weights on the blade and at times that still isn't enough, but works ok.

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