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OT 2003 F250 diesels

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Hurst

01-07-2006 10:53:18




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I saw an f250, 2003 with a 6.0. It had a free carfax report that showed that it had only been in the shop at 15 miles for service, after that no report of service. It has 98,200 miles on it and no recalls according to fords recall website for this particular vin number vehicle. Does this sound like a really good 6.0? It has had 3 owners, I am not sure that they didn't get scared away and sell it. One owner had it less than a year and the last two owners were within a year (I guess a dealer counts as an owner?). It looks like it is a highway truck with that many miles. Would carfax show any problems with the engine that would have been covered under warenty. Also, what is ford offereing as an extended warrenty and does anyone know how long these engines last? What kind of mileage do they get also? Thanks

Hurst

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MS35

01-07-2006 15:21:39




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 10:53:18  
I would not worry much about that mileage on that engine. But if I remember the '03 6.0L was the first year run and had a bunch of small problems(EGR is one thing that comes to mind), that were straightened out for '04. May want to consider finding a 7.3L or going up to an '04. Unless of course this one is a good deal. Then I would not be too worried. Especially if it appears to run fine.



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Hurst

01-07-2006 15:34:04




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to MS35, 01-07-2006 15:21:39  
I looked at the carfax on the truck and it was assembled in 12/02, sold 2/03. I need to correct my first statement, the first owner kept it until 8/26/05, when it was transferred to a different owner, bought by another one less than a month after that and is put up for sale now. I am guessing the last change of owners may be a dealer trade or auction? It has nothing on there for recieving any service after the service it recieved in 12/05 when the dealer serviced it right after they recieved it. I thought there was something with the computer that was changed on a lot of the first models that cost some mileage and took away power. Would carfax show it having gone to a dealer? thanks for the replies so far,

Hurst

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T_Bone

01-08-2006 07:53:47




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 15:34:04  
Hi Hurst,

I would not put alot of trust into carfax. I ran two vin's with known serious accidents that didn't show up anything in the report.

There's good 6.0 PSD's and bad ones. Just hope you pick a good one in 03yr. The 03' did come with a 7.3PSD up until about Jan 03 before they stopped installing the 7.3

I would be very caucious about buying any thing used as there's going to be some units slip thru that went thru the big flood.

T_Bone

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Redd

01-07-2006 13:59:30




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 10:53:18  
There was a website called 6literpowerstroke.com specifically for that engine hosted by Ford mechanics. It is now part of Flatratetech.com I think. Loads of info and able to check a vin for repairs and recalls done by Ford. When I got my 04 6.0 I started looking at that site and the horror stories made me sick, but as time went on I realized that these were the bad trucks i was reading about. There are thousands of them with no problems. and yes all three brands have their problems.

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TomTX

01-07-2006 12:56:38




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 10:53:18  
Don't like High milage, 3 owners, and quick owner turnover, would look elsewhere. You can do better.



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Hurst

01-07-2006 13:08:52




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 What about 7.3s in reply to TomTX, 01-07-2006 12:56:38  
There is also a nice white/tan larriat f250 diesel (2001 model 7.3 extended cab, short bed) that is clean. It has an auto and 121,000 miles. They wanted something like 17,500 for it. Would this truck be better suited for my needs? What about the double overdrive addons, would that be good for the 7.3? Any advice?

Hurst



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Aaron SEIA

01-07-2006 14:23:54




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 Re: What about 7.3s in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 13:08:52  
Did some poking around. An overdrive for a Ford E4OD auto is $2800 plus install. It'd take a LOT of driving at one or 2 mpg better to make that pay. the site claims 5 mpg better, but I think with any towing at all, you'd be right back to whatever the thing does without. Long version short, you might get better milage, but it's gonna take over 3 grand to get it done.
Aaron SEIA
PS. personal preference is the 7.3 tried and true and probably as reliable as a Cummins. The 6.0 is a bit less or a lot less depending on who nis telling the story

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E2driver

01-07-2006 12:12:31




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 10:53:18  
My 04 6.0 Powerstroke has been relatively trouble free. No horror stories here. It pulls my 30' fifth wheel camper 75 mph with the cruise and air on with no sweat. Runs around 12 mpg doing that with 4.10 rear gear. My last gasser got 6.3mpg doing the same.

The truck is fun to drive and is no dog for a 7800# vehicle.

If the F250 has a 3.73 rear gear it will get better mileage than mine.

It also takes 15 qts of oil to service it.

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Hurst

01-07-2006 12:46:35




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to E2driver, 01-07-2006 12:12:31  
Isn't the service for oil change longer than that of the 5.4 gasser? I know it still wont come out even, but with the new 5.4s not getting very good mileage, it could be a good thing to have. Do you know what kind of mileage you are getting unloaded? It will definatively be driven a lot more unloaded than loaded, mostly highway driving. Also, does anyone know if the 6.0 is better suited for higher highway speeds than the 7.3 (mileage wise)? Thanks for the help so far.

Hurst

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Bob

01-07-2006 11:19:12




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 10:53:18  
I have owned, and been a fan of, diesel pickups since the GM 6.2 came out in 1982, and I had several diesel cars before that. I have owned GM's, a Ford, and put quite a few miles on a Dodge, helping a neighbor. But I can't even imagine buying a used newer one, and risking the out-of pocket costs of a set of injectors (or worse, if there's big-time trouble with the engine).

I saw some information the other day that once Duramax injectors are out of the GM extended warrantee, they are about $750.00 a piece. I can't even imagine paying $6000.00 for 8 injectors, and I don't know for sure, but I'll bet the injectors for that Binder 6.0 Liter are up there in the same price range!

For all the horror stories, it seems a lot of the Ford 6.0's have been good engines, but it doesn't take much of a "trip though the shop" nowadays to blow $2000.00 to $5000.00, and on up, when a problem does come up.

With the price of diesel higher than gas, (and, again, I say this as a long-time diesel owner), and the repair and maintenance costs of a newer diesel over a gasser, I can't even been to see how owning a newer one nowadays would ever work out financially. Just an oil change, with the larger quantity (than a gasser) of higher-priced oil that meets the specs for that engine and a filter takes a fair chunk of change!

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Hurst

01-07-2006 11:27:53




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Bob, 01-07-2006 11:19:12  
I looked up the injectors on ebay, looks like about 80 bucks a hole for the 6.0. Not too bad. I know what you mean about high maintenance costs. I was just wondering if this truck is practical or not. It uses about half the oil that the 7.3 did (atleast that is what the specs on Internation's website said). Also, diesels seem to be longer lasting than gassers and heavier built. I have also heard some ugly stories for gas milage of the new 3 valve 5.4, so I figured a diesel that can get 20 on the highway would be a pretty good truck, esp buying used where you don't pay the upfront sticker cost. Thanks for the advice on the truck. I am thinking that a lot of people are just reading a few of the horror stories and then passing them on over and over and eventually you have hundreds of horror stories. Thanks for the help. I just like the thought of a diesel motor in a medium duty truck, esp it I end up getting a gooseneck to haul tractors around occasionally. Thanks for the help

Hurst

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Ducknose Bob

01-07-2006 12:00:02




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 11:27:53  
The oil capacity for both the 7.3 and the 6.0 are @ 15 quarts. However, the filter for the 6.0 is much higher than the 7.3, but they have increased the oil change interval by 50%. The fuel filter package for the 6.0 is also much more costly, but I understand that the fuel filter change interval has been doubled, from 15K to 30K. I buy the oil filter and oil for mine at Wal-Mart and will buy the fuel filters at NAPA when it comes time. I also believe that 99 per cent of the people claiming 20+ MPG out of 6.0 do not have a clue on how to measure mileage. The closest I have ever come was a little less than 20 in both my 97 and 99 2WD 7.3 automatics. My 2002 7.3 and 2005 6.0 4WD automatics seem to get right at 16.5 on the highway, and maybe 14 around town.

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Bob

01-07-2006 11:53:19




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Hurst, 01-07-2006 11:27:53  
Yes, it does appear the injectors for the 6.0 are quite a bit cheaper than for the Duramax, or the later Cummins.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

01-07-2006 12:16:06




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Bob, 01-07-2006 11:53:19  
I bought a 99 7.3 turbo last year with 9800 actual miles on it and I haven't had any problems with it to date. I have kept track of the fuel usage with a lot of trailering a 6500# moline and I have averaged 16.8 mpg since I bought it. It is hard to get us to the noise but love the steady power.



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CLIFF S

01-08-2006 08:39:24




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 Re: OT 2003 F250 diesels in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 01-07-2006 12:16:06  
My Wife and I have Power Strokes,A 02 7.3 My wifes and My 04 6.0! her 7.3 has 60000 miles on it and has been a good truck it gets 17-18 mpg on the road and 15 around town and towing a 12500 trailer on the road around 11mpg My 04 6.0 has 21000 miles on it and tows 75% of the time and will run curcles around the 7.3!!! It got 19.5 Mpg average on a 5000 mile trip across country and back and will get 15 -16 mpg around town and got 11.5 towing the same trailer and load to the same place as the 7.3(850 miles round trip)

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