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cleaning carbon out with water

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Farmer Mack

12-20-2005 14:11:51




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Hey,

Has anyone heard of cleaning carbon out this way from an older gas engine? Someone told me to get the motor running nice and hot, then slip a little water in by the carb. Said it really works. Can the carbon score things up if this is done? Would appreciate your thoughts.

FM




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Doyle Alley

12-27-2005 18:05:58




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
Use something that will do the job much better than water. Sea Foam. Napa as well as other auto parts stores sell it. It is used extensively in the marine (2 stroke) world to decarbonize outboards. Use it at the rate of 1 can to 3/4 gallon of gas (a small, portable gas tank works best). Run the engine for a couple of minutes at a very fast idle then let it sit for 15 minutes. Repeat until the smoking stops. Pour whatever mixture is left into your main tank.

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Dave NE IA

12-23-2005 18:30:19




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
I am not sure if this will help you, but I can tell you of a event at our local show that may help you.

I have a 4 1/2 hp Sandow ( hit & miss) that was acting up- The intake is spring loaded and usually very easy to move with the finger and thumb. It was stuck / sluggish at best. We sprayed wd-40 on it--hooked up a drill on the stem and spun it while spraying wd-40 for 15 min. Still no compression, so we gave up on it and decide it had to have a bent valve. This was with the advise of 8-10 experts.

A young guy bystander asked if he could mess with it, I said heck yes, but the crowd of old guys had failed, and all were very well versed on old gas engines. He asked for starting fluid and with 2 quick sprays and I mean only 2, the stupid thing had compression and was running in less that 2 min. after he sprayed it. Now most of us old guys would claim to know it all, and the first, and loudest is always correct, but they all admited they had never seen that one before. And like a Cowboy in the movies I never got the young guy's name or number, and I swear this is the truth so help me. Dave NE IA

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Mel in SW Iowa

12-21-2005 06:20:24




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
I've used a cup of water dribbled out of a squeeze catsup or detergent bottle at half throttle on an engine that has reached operating temp (at least 4 minutes) as part of every tuneup on gasoline engines for 25 years, with excellent results and no regrets. Its hard to accomplish on 2 cylinder JD's, but worth doing.

Nolan is right, it won't do anything for carbon on
the intake valve stems.

Bradk, I've used this on many aluminum head engines without damage, yet (?). I see your point that excessive cooling of the valve seats might dislodge them, but so far, I haven't experienced this or any problem with this practice. I do this outside. At half throttle, whatever is in the path of the exhaust will receive a light sandblasting. I've never had the nerve to dribble it in any faster than what it takes to drop maybe 100 rpm. I've also never had the nerve to try it on a diesel, yet.

Mel

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Nolan

12-21-2005 04:41:42




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
Water will remove carbon from the combustion chamber down. It will not remove carbon from the back of the intake valve up.



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bradk

12-20-2005 18:20:02




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
It does work. I would hesitate using it on modern engines and warn against using it on aluminum head engines as valve seats can fall out.For these,I would use GM Top engine cleaner as Mike M mentioned, following label directions.~brad



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Richard Scott

12-20-2005 16:46:41




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
My father used to call this a coke bottle tuneup. I tried it a couple times, warm engine, work the throttle by hand to keep it running as you pour & watch all the crud come out the exhuast. Didn't seem to hurt the engine, but I suppose it could if you poured a lot in at once since water isn't compressible. I have also wondered about that cool water hitting hot engine parts.



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Mike M

12-20-2005 16:02:29




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
GM sells a chemical to do this. Top engine cleaner. I've also heard of pouring rice in a running engine cleans them out good.



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Allan in NE

12-20-2005 15:25:27




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
FM,

Ever opened up an engine with an internal antifreeze leak?

Cleans 'em down to the metal.

Allan



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37 chief

12-20-2005 15:11:23




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
I was told that water will remove some carbon. I don't think it will damage anything. Just don't add too much at a time. While in the Navy water was used on the large radial airplane engines at high power settings for cooling. Another interesting fact is on shut down in cold weather. Fuel was injucted into the oil where it entered the engine, so it would turn over easier on restarting. Stan



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Jerry/MT

12-20-2005 19:08:03




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to 37 chief, 12-20-2005 15:11:23  
Wasn't that water AND alchohol? It was used as an anti-detonant at high power and hot days as I recall. Some of the turbojets used it for different reason, however. It cooled the sir going into the engine and allowed higher power on a hot day.



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37 chief

12-20-2005 21:54:41




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Jerry/MT, 12-20-2005 19:08:03  
I believe alcohol was also mixed with the water. I thought in school they told us is also helped cool the engine at high power settings. 40 years ago for me. Stan



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Roland Yoder

12-20-2005 14:40:18




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 Re: cleaning carbon out with water in reply to Farmer Mack, 12-20-2005 14:11:51  
I have used water on old car motors that were running very rough , smoothes them out nice. Get the motor hot , run it at a 1/4 throttle ,pour in the water until it almost stalls. Use this prosedure until the motor runs properly.



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