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Binders for trailering

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waltonrp

12-12-2005 17:47:43




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Hey all,

Very new to trailering and don't plan to do it much, at least long distance. Do I need 4 binders, one for each corner? I've read the trailering FAQ, but not really clear on this.

Thanks, Rob




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JMS/MN

12-12-2005 21:16:40




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 17:47:43  
According to CDL laws, you need four attachments. You cannot run one chain in the front, one in the back, to four corners, running through a clevis, for example- on the front and back. Each attachment needs to be separate.



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Coldiron

12-12-2005 19:51:30




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 17:47:43  
Waltonrp, There are people that get by with less than the law requires. The real concern is the liability issue. If you are going to squeek by and have an accident, your liability will probably be judged because of what may be ruled an inadequate tie down.



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T_Bone

12-12-2005 20:38:40




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to Coldiron, 12-12-2005 19:51:30  
Hi Coldiron,

It doesn't matter how you have the load tied down as far as libility goes. If the loads comes off the vehicle you are automaticaly 100% liable, and will receive a citation for such, period.

I just went thru this 2 weeks ago. I haven't been to court to see If I can get the ticket dismissed as I did have my load tied down. My insurrance company could care less if I got a ticket or not as there are paying the claims against me and the ticket has no bearing on the decission if the ins. company wants to pay.

If you get stopped and load checked then your load binding style would determine to weather you were issued a citation or not. As of 01-01-05 a rolling load requires 4 tie downs.

T_Bone

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Coldiron

12-12-2005 21:24:54




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to T_Bone, 12-12-2005 20:38:40  
The 4 chains, 4 binders is the way I move them and sometimes even have an added chain and binders. I have seen to many accidents that lose their loads or caused by a lost load, to do it any other way.



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BobinKY

12-12-2005 18:28:18




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 17:47:43  
Hey Rob. You did not say what you intend to haul. I have been hauling show cars around the country for years. I use a 2" ratchet strap at each corner. When I haul my tractors, I use two chain binders and two 2" nylon ratchet straps to hold it down.



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waltonrp

12-12-2005 18:50:48




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to BobinKY, 12-12-2005 18:28:18  
Sorry, yeah, hauling a Kubota L310 tractor with a front loader. Tractor is about 2500 pds, + loader.



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the tractor vet

12-13-2005 07:08:11




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 18:50:48  
well then you need now get this four chains on the tractor and one across the loader and you should have one pulling back and if you put something on the three point then one over it , now some DOT bonehead may want two on the three point pice



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Leland

12-12-2005 18:06:56




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 17:47:43  
1 good binder per chain is all that is required ,as that is all we were issued by company .



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Nebraska Cowman

12-12-2005 17:52:08




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 17:47:43  
I kinda think it depends on the guy that stops you and how he interperts the law. But yes, I make sure I at least have binders with me for all four corners just in case. I've been buying 20 foot chains and cutting them in half.



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the tractor vet

12-12-2005 18:51:15




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-12-2005 17:52:08  
That is all well and good but ya also MUST have 60% hold back and also on a 5/16th grade 70 chain 4500 lbs as i have ben told and 4750 on a 3/8th and from what i have been told they realy hate the china import stuff . And i have had a couple good chains break while hauling , not fun watchen a 250000 dollar pice of equipment tryen real hard to come off a trailer . And according to the book i had enough chains and binders on it but they broke in a panic stop to avoid a head on with and idiot freight hauler that was comming around a right hand 90 degree turn and was looking to his left and came way out into my lane all i could do was stand on the brakes and heard the two chains pop and saw the binders flyen through the air. and the load heading off the right side of the trailer good thing that the last chain held and kept it on by half a tire .

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waltonrp

12-12-2005 18:18:38




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-12-2005 17:52:08  
That kind of sounds better to me a chain on each corner and a binder on each chain.

Anyone do this with 2 chains?



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Chris(WA)

12-12-2005 18:34:40




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 Re: Binders for trailering in reply to waltonrp, 12-12-2005 18:18:38  
I use two chains but I make them up so that the tractor is secured by four individual bights of chain. Have concidered customizing my chains to just fit but seems like I never get her parked in exactly the same place each time or end up hauling something extra.



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