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O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims

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Billy NY

12-12-2005 06:56:48




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I was wondering how everyone who has an older single axle truck handles these, say when it's time to get new tires, will the tire guys still do the work or are these a problem ? I am well aware of how dangerous these are, I do have the original shop manual for this truck, it has a detailed section on the wheels, but I certianly won't fool with them. I have one tire that is flat on the rear, was like that before I made the trip home ( read below ) they just inflated it, and it held air long enough, but I'm also wondering that if just inflating it is dangerous too, or is it just when assembling the 2 piece/split rim after a tire change ? I can recall what happened a about 15 years ago when driving a tri-axle R model Mack, with 29 ton on, blew a front tire on the right side, looked like a grenade went off under the fender, the fender was blown apart, the post mirror on the fender blew off, the battery box cover blew off, and I never found the steel ring that goes on the wheel, it blew off into the woods, have a lot of respect for 110 P.S.I. truck tires after that, not to mention the old split rims

Not sure if anyone recalls, but about 1 1/2 months ago I posted a question about crossing the Canadian border by Niagara Falls, Queenston/Lewiston crossing and it was reccommended to not go back the same way after picking up a 1964 F-600 grain truck. I made the trip Nov. 3rd - 4th, 600 miles out and 800 miles back, 34 hours straight, that old F-600 went down the road straight as an arrow, did not burn any oil, the whole thing went smoothly, used 98 gallons of gasoline, only issue is how low it was geared, 3000 r.p.m.'s in 4th with the button up gets you 62 M.P.H. sometimes 65 M.P.H. and it sounds like you are hammering the 292 Y-block engine, not a good highway truck unless I could change the rear or something I suppose, was an experience though, driving a 41 year old truck that far.

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Lil-Farmer

12-12-2005 18:23:16




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to Billy NY, 12-12-2005 06:56:48  
GM used these wheels also, between the early 60's to mid seventies. It is a wheel with a steel center riveted to one half of the rim, with the rim parting in the middle to disassemble the tire and tube. They were outlawed by the DOT in the early nineties. They are not legal on the highway! They can blow apart while driving down the highway, causing series injury or death to someone in a vehicle beside you, not to mention how hard it would be to maintain control.

We have 13 of these vehicles and have replaced all the wheels with a Budd, tubeless rim. We use a 9:00 X 22.5 tire which is the same rolling diameter as an 8.25 X 20.. If you have a tire shop which does a lot of truck work, they should be able to help you with tires and wheels.

Hope you have a high limit on the ole credit card. >-:

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MN Scott

12-12-2005 20:31:45




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to Lil-Farmer, 12-12-2005 18:23:16  
I have two early 70's GM grain trucks. One has the two peice rims and one has the dayton cast center ring type rims. My local goodyear dealer will repair tires on both styles of rims. He charges no more than any other truck tire repair. The part about the dot outlawing them is bull as I have had runins with the state patrol commercial vehical inspectors, and they just inspect the tire condition and never have mentioned the rims. If they were illegal they for sure would have written me up!

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VaTom

12-13-2005 04:35:45




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to MN Scott, 12-12-2005 20:31:45  
Scott, same in Virginia. I have no problem getting tires mounted on my deuce-and-a-half. The car tire shops won"t touch them, but they don"t have the tires anyhow. Inflation is in a steel cage, but separation is extremely unusual according to the guys mounting them.

No reason to change rims that I can see.



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Billy NY

12-12-2005 16:28:03




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to Billy NY, 12-12-2005 06:56:48  
This is original equipment on a 1964 F-600, I think these are 8.25 x 20.00 tires, the wheels have the slightly oval holes in them, larger piece looks to be rivetted to center of the rim, definitely not cast centers and I believe are referred to in the shop manual as 2 piece rim. There is one piece called a rim, the other called a ring If the local truck tire will not mount tires on these, that could be a problem and I will need to solve it. I ought to scan the pages out of the book or take a digital photo, would be helpful here, but it appears to be a 2 piece, was just trying to see what the consensus was, as they might not even know what I'm talking about at the tire shop, being so old, hope not though.

I thought they put them in a cage to seat and mount the tires, the book describes the procedure.

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RodInNS

12-12-2005 18:53:17




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to Billy NY, 12-12-2005 16:28:03  
I would just swing by the local tire shop and ask if they will change tires on split rims. They probably won't.... but if they can look at the truck, they could surely give you an answer on whether or not you could install a modern steel bud. It sounds like you have hub pilot type wheels as opposed to spoke wheels, so I don't know if you could get a wheel to fit or not. If you have the spoke type wheels, then a standard 11R22.5 should directly replace a 10.00-20. If the tire shop won't touch them, they may know of a backyard type operation that would deal with them. As I understand these wheels, the most dangerous part is inflating them, and ensuring that the ring seats properly. Once they're on, they're not really any more dangerous than any other wheel. There are probably guys out there that will work on them..... . but I am not among them. HTH.

Rod

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mike

12-12-2005 08:48:05




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to Billy NY, 12-12-2005 06:56:48  
if they are what I think you have the old 2 piece suicide splits where they break apart in the center of the wheel. No tire shop will touch them, insurance and common sence make it illegal.
I do have (4)20 inch 2 piece lock ring wheels which are an improvement over your wheel. 6 bolt holes on a big bud center right??
them suicide wheels are insane,don"t mess w/ em. I won"t touch em anymore. mike in NY on vt border

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Buzzman72

12-12-2005 08:17:15




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 Re: O.T. - 2 Piece Truck Wheels/Split Rims in reply to Billy NY, 12-12-2005 06:56:48  
Technically, "split rims" were used in the 1920's and '30's, and the wheels were made in two halves. What you're referring to is what I've always heard called "side-ring" wheels, which seems self-explanatory. But I don't like side-ring wheels much either.

On an F-600, I'd guess that you have 20-inch rims. I've heard that, on wheels with the cast centers and removable rims, the 22.5-inch drop-center, one-piece rims will replace the 20-inch side-ring rims almost perfectly, providing you get the right width rims.

Can anyone else out there confirm this?

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