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Boring....What is it???

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farmallman

11-17-2005 06:31:05




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Hey ya'll!

I keep hearing people talking about boring out the engine...i do know that has something to do with more HP/higher compression.....but when they say 9/10ths over...what do they mean? and how do they do it?
thanks




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frankiee

11-18-2005 04:40:20




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to farmallman, 11-17-2005 06:31:05  
One thing to add.
You said you thought it had to do with higher HP and higher compression.
Boring will add a bit more engine size but not very much. It would not add very much added power. Boring will lessen the compression ratio some, But not very much. Less compression makes less horse power.
The main reason for boring as already mentioned is to recondition the engine.



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dr.sportster

11-18-2005 05:43:58




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to frankiee, 11-18-2005 04:40:20  
When you bore an engine you are increasing the swept volume of piston movement yet the combustion chamber size remains the same.The compression ratio is now [slightly] increased not decreased.If you stroke the same occurs.Also when you stroke the amount of time the intake valve stays open is longer and carburation may now tend to be too rich.



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frankiee

11-18-2005 06:43:52




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 I stand corrected. in reply to dr.sportster, 11-18-2005 05:43:58  
dr.sportster You are right, I am wrong
I was thinking of a larger cc combustion chamber.
Thanks for clearing that up.



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dr.sportster

11-18-2005 06:59:03




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 Re: I stand corrected. in reply to frankiee, 11-18-2005 06:43:52  
Not trying to be a wise guy.Dont know that much about many different tractors but Ive been aggravated by alot of different motors.



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Don-Wi

11-17-2005 20:02:54




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to farmallman, 11-17-2005 06:31:05  
I work at a machine shop, so I'll try to explain it a little. The tool used is called a Boring Bar, it has a single cutting edge on it, and it is moved outward and into the metal to be removed. Most common boring I do at work is on Sprockets. We chuck them up in the lathe, and bring them out to whatever size is specified on the print.

A drill is the first tool used, just to put a hole in the peice.

A reamer is a fairly accurate way to produce a hole, but it can only be done after the hole as been drilled out, normally about 1/16th undersize. A reamer isn't always the most practical way to go. Reamers get expensive, and they don't come in every size you need. The most practical way to go is several different size boring bars. Small ones to get into holes 3/4-1/2", another to be used from 7/8 or so up to say 1 1/2-1 3/4" Then there is a big one, used for just about everything above 2". You can get any size desired, metric, fractional, or the occasional odd ball size that is neither, all with one tool.


Hope I helped you out some
Donovan from Wisconsin

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wdtom

11-17-2005 17:18:59




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to farmallman, 11-17-2005 06:31:05  
I will add to what Old said just a little. Boring increases the size (displacement) of the engine. Maybe not too much,but it does and this will increase the power. How much can you bore an engine? It depends on the engine. Older engines generally had thicker cylinder walls than newer ones. A .030" or .060" over bore is probably safe in most engines, getting up near .125" is probably shakey in most engines. Always consult your engine shop, they will probably know. Also, if it isn't safe to go to a certain size there probably won't be pistons available either. For a tractor the over bore kits are the way to go. Another way of increasing the power of an engine is "stroking" That is making the stroke longer for more displacement and torque. Longer stroke increases torque by giving the piston a longer lever to turn the crank. There are several ways to stroke an engine. One is to just put a crank in with a longer stroke, maybe from the same engine buy a larger version that had a longer stroke. Another way is to grind the crank throws off center, you can't go much longer this way. And the third way is to weld up the side of the crank throw that you want longer, then grind. This is not the easiest way to go. When stroking you need to have rods and pistons that are compatable with the stroke you end up with. You don't want pistons running into the head, or excessive compression. You need to know what is going on to do this. Or buy kits or parts from those who do.

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old

11-17-2005 07:08:04




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to farmallman, 11-17-2005 06:31:05  
Boring is just as it sounds. What they do is drill which isn't really correct way of saying it. But any how they make the bore of the cylinder bigger by .010 or .020 etc. Then you have to put in bigger pistons and rings. Its a way of makeing an engine new with out replace the whole engine. As an engine runs over the years the cylinder get egg shaped and boring make the cylinder true round again.

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farmallman

11-17-2005 07:11:18




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to old, 11-17-2005 07:08:04  
Thatnks....now it makes a lot more sense to me



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Harley

11-18-2005 05:34:08




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 Re: Boring....What is it??? in reply to farmallman, 11-17-2005 07:11:18  
Reading all the political crap from self-informed and VERY opinionated guys like me over on the OffTopic board.



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