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DJL

11-13-2005 21:47:11




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I've got an odd question for you guys.
My dad, who is 70 years old, heats his old, brick, farmhouse (built in 1867) with a Woodchuck wood-burning furnace. (Forced air and located in the house basement) He's getting older, so was looking for an easier way to get up firewood. The local railroad was giving away old railroad ties, while they were replacing some track close to our house. Dad got 7 semi-loads of these things! The questions are this: Is it safe to burn these cresote ties? (he has the proper stainless steel chimney liner, and cleans it every year)He's finding they're very hard on chain saw chains, as they have some grit, dirt, sand etc. in them, and the cresote can also gum up the chain. Any ideas on cutting these? Is there some sort of carbide chain that may work? Any other ideas?
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DJL

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NEsota

11-16-2005 03:42:28




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Me thinks it would be against the law to sell the ties, the law of supply and demand. If the ties had value they would not have been so easy to come by.



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bartt

11-15-2005 12:18:25




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Railroad ties are great for landscaping and retaining walls. Sell the ties and buy some firewood. Don't burn the chemical saturated ties for your own health.



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paul

11-14-2005 09:00:16




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
I mentioned this on a forum, hope I'm not repeating myself here.

A local construction co gets several loads of rr ties, and uses them to heat their construction shop. They are on the edge of town.

It stinks something horrible. Man, I can't believe the epa hasn't visited them.

Burning wood creates some creosote, but these days with the fear-factor of the general population, burning wood treated with creosote has to be against several regulations. Storing the old ties is also becoming an epa issue.

I'm a bit on the fence on all these heavy-handed regulations, but after driving past that construction place, I would _not_ want to mess with burning rr ties to heat a house. It is a dirty, smelly, potentially regulated deal, and just plain messy. I think your dad's place is going to smell horrid, aside from any real or imagined epa type risks.

--->Paul

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Coldiron

11-14-2005 08:44:01




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
DJL, With 7 truck loads he may sell them and be able to use alternative heating. If he tried to burn them slow after the house got hot the cresote would pile up in his chimney and burn later when he got the chimney hot again. Not only would it be not smart it is probably illegal to burn the ties anywhere. The EPA is a big brother that can make your life miserable if you make em mad.



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730 virgil

11-15-2005 09:49:58




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to Coldiron, 11-14-2005 08:44:01  
one the guys near me went on vaction came home and learned that his son told company tearing out railroad tracks you can pile them here took the cash son thought he would sell the ties . what he didn't know they planed to leave son with junk ties took the good ones left him with the mess now they have pile of junk ties and no idea how to get rid of them dad can't afford to have someone clean up son's
mess i hope your dad hasn't got into same kind of deal

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old

11-14-2005 07:02:17




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
As others have said don't burn them. If they are any good at all you can sell them, in my area they sell for around $8-10 each and used in landscapeing.



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Keith-OR

11-14-2005 06:54:58




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 Facts on cresote..long post in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Creosote is the name that is used for a variety of products, including wood creosote, coal tar creosote, coal tar, coal tar pitch, and coal tar pitch volatiles. Coal derived creosote is what has raised the most concern in recent years. Every year, 825 million pounds of creosote are used to in order to protect the wood from environmental breakdown and wood attacking pests. Creosote an be found on telephone poles, marine pilings, railroads ties, as well as other creosote treated wood in building fences, bridges, homes, and other places.

Creosote Exposure

In 1978, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) acknowledged that exposure to the popular wood preservative creosote posed a carcinogenic danger to humans.

Exposure to creosote has been linked to causing cancer. Long-term exposure to all different forms of creosote, which include wood creosote, coal tar, coal tar pitch and coal tar pitch volatiles, has been specifically linked to cancer of the skin and scrotum.

Chimney sweeps are in particular danger of developing these types of cancer from long-term exposure to soot and coal tar creosotes.

Maybe we should all stop burning wood, wood products, coal and coal by products (support big corp increase their profits more) switch to naturial gas or oil. Seems to me common sense comes into play here, Don't over load furnance, make sure damper and all other controls are working properly. When times were hard,in early 40's, we burnt ties in an old pot belly stove, house did not burn down, none of us died of skin cancer...We just used COMMON SENSE in heating with wood and wood products...JMHO
PS.. Still heating with wood today!!!

Keith

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Kevin (FL)

11-14-2005 06:19:03




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
DJL,

I agree with the others--don't burn them in the fireplace!!! When I was a kid we lived near the L&N RR in Mississippi and my dad used to burn crossties when we couldn't get any other wood. One night we heard a big crashing sound and we woke up to find my sister's bedroom floor burning. We had a back-to-back fireplace, with one hearth in the bedroom and the main hearth in the living room. From the intense fire of the creosote, the chimney had overheated and burned away the mortar and down came the chimney through a two-story heart-pine frame house. Thanks to God that we were able to put the fire out with garden hoses.

Don't know where you live but I would trade all the cut-split-stacked oak firewood you wanted for those crossties. We're still cutting water oaks, red oaks and live oaks from the hurricanes--have plenty of firewood here in NW Florida.....

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Joe from ny

11-14-2005 04:29:45




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
My cousin told me during the depression, as kids, their job was to cut up old ties for firewood to keep the house warm. They used a buzz-saw and lived in town, furnace in cellar.



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RustyFarmall

11-14-2005 04:17:13




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Absolutely DO NOT burn those ties in a fireplace or heating stove. The creosote will burn so hot that you WILL NOT be able to control it. You will burn the house down.



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Jay (ND)

11-14-2005 05:16:09




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-14-2005 04:17:13  
Rusty is 100% correct. I saw an old guy do this once. He had 1 small piece in there. When I got to his house, his stovepipe was glowing red and starting to sag.



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Old Pokey

11-14-2005 06:07:33




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 I agree, not a good idea. in reply to Jay (ND), 11-14-2005 05:16:09  
Years ago I had just a small piece of R/R tie I used for a jack block. When it split, I decided to use small pieces of it for kindeling in the shop stove. WOW!! even with all the air shut off, that stove allmost danced out the door.



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JDknut

11-14-2005 04:01:19




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
I wouldn't burn them pups, it'd mess up the chimney amd make toxic smoke like the others say. Use them for landscaping, retaining walls, or foundation timbers.



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Mike Van

11-14-2005 02:30:19




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Not only bad toxic smoke possible in the house, but everyone else's too from the smoke out the chimney -



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Midwest redneck

11-14-2005 02:03:39




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Those RR ties are hazardous to burn, I would sell them for $5/each or something and make money with them. Then use the money to buy real firewood.



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doogdoog

11-14-2005 00:33:30




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
Aloha, I wouldn't burn that stuff because cresote is carcinogenic (causes cancer) and it mess up your liner faster.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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37 chief

11-13-2005 23:44:20




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
I don't think I would be burning that wood. It may give off some real bad fumes that may leak into the house. Do you or any other relative leve close enough to help get in enough fire wood for your Dad? Stan



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Sid

11-13-2005 22:22:11




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to DJL, 11-13-2005 21:47:11  
From what I have heard I don' think I would want to use them for that. If it where me I would forget using them for firewood and sell tham as landscape timbers. They seem to sell pretty good for that.



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jd9295

11-14-2005 02:23:26




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 Re: railroad ties in reply to Sid , 11-13-2005 22:22:11  
dont burn them in the house, bad things will happen. sell them or trade them for firewood. or get him an lp heater to put in the basement



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