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plumboy

11-09-2005 16:01:24

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Wanting to stay around the 20 grand mark so what should I expec?.The dozer will be used for cleaning out old fence lines and clearing off woods for pasture.I'm thinking a case 450-850 in size with a 8 way blade.What all is included with the UC,and how do you rate it in %?
Any place to look for slop and what about steering brakes.Any year models in that price range I should concentrate on?

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BLW

11-11-2005 08:41:47

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to plumboy, 11-09-2005 16:01:24

I can"t help you with a dozer, I used to us a OC12 and it worked real good, then I discovered I could do the same thing with a payloader, I have an HR hough 4 wh drive 9 1/2 ton machine- it works better and can load rocks and tree stumps- you might want to go bigger- although this size is right for the price I"m selling mine now that I don"t need it for 7500. also it is much easier to tell what condition a payloader is in--

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RodinNS

11-10-2005 18:56:48

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to plumboy, 11-09-2005 16:01:24

You might even think of going as large as an 1150 Case too. They weren't a bad old machine either. For 20 grand, you should be able to score alright with any of them. For 20 grand, you could also get raped with any of them. I would suggest that unless you feel very comftorable inspecting these machines yourself, then you would do yourself well to have somebody with experience inspect the prospective machines with you. Old dozers aren't exactly like old tractors. It's real easy to drop 10 grand on an under carriadge. 10 grand on an engine. 10 grand on a transmission..... You get the picture. 9 times out of 10, these machines were not used in a back yard. They were used on the job, and bloody hard.
As far as percentage ratings go; they are used to rate every part of the under carriadge. Chain rails, pins & bushings, sprockets, idlers, carrier rollers, track frame rollers, grouser depth, and pad thickness are all rated separately.... as a percentage of new, and they're all important. If the pins & bushings are worn, the idlers, or the chain rails are out of spec, there can be so much slack in the chains that you can't get them tight. Then they won't stay on. If the frame rollers are badly worn, they can break in pieces, or allow the pads to be badly worn from the back side due to rubbing on the track frame or rock guards. A friend of mine is just after dumping 9 grand into an undercarriadge, and that's not even a half rebuild..... Granted, that's on a Dresser TD15E....not a small machine.
So, I would look things over very carefully, get the machine warmed up good, work it, see what doesn't work. It will be worth your time. There's no need to jump at the first one you see. There's also a lot to be said for excavators for a lot of general work today. If you could get one of those blade runners (probably 12-15 ton excavator with a blade), you would have a very formidable combination. Best of luck.

Rod

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supergrumpy

11-11-2005 07:25:41

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to RodinNS, 11-10-2005 18:56:48

I keep reading the "money pit" stories about used tracked machines, I used some sort of green 2 cylinder machine years ago, torque of that machine was astounding

what is advantage/disadvantage of excavator versus traditional dozer???

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RodinNS

11-11-2005 14:39:42

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to supergrumpy, 11-11-2005 07:25:41

I would agree that there are many good reliable old dozers out there, but i still think one needs to be a good deal more dilligent at checking these things over first, to know what is there. I've got a Cat D4H, which is a nice size machine for my needs, and a good all around farm machine. But in our case, the tranny went; broken planetary. Chains were done at 2500 hours, just before the tranny. tranny was 10 grand, half of which Cat paid, as by their own admission, it should not have failed. The chains were over 5 grand at that time as well. Some can be salvaged and turned....these were past that point.
I would simply advise caution...
On the excavaor.... The big advantage is the efficiency and ease of use, combined with the cleanliness of the piles. It's much easier to tumble and clean stumps and pile them clean for burning with a hydraulic excavator. Piles are tighter, taller, and more compact, and generally burn out clean. That's dependant on a decent operator who pays attention to what he does. It gives the contractor the ability to go in in the summer, stump and pile, and then bugger off. The owner can burn in the fall when it's safe, with no need to have the hoe on site, because there's nothing for it to do. I've poked a few piles with the 4, moved a few live piles too..... It generally takes a good deal more skill on the operator's part to do a quality job with a dozer, and those guys are a dying breed in my area. Ofcourse there's always those guys that are given a top notch excavator, and can't make anything but a mess.... seen them too. I guess the bigest disadvantage to the excavator is the cost. You're not going to get much for under 50 grand. You also need either a thumb or a root rake for the excavator. Although the dozer would need a root rake to be very effective..... Whew. that was windy.....

Rod

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supergrumpy

11-11-2005 15:46:48

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to RodinNS, 11-11-2005 14:39:42

thank you

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Blue guy from a red state

11-10-2005 06:38:45

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to plumboy, 11-09-2005 16:01:24

I don't know how set on a dozer you are, but a lot of people around here are starting to use excavators for clearing trees.

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bigdiesel

11-10-2005 05:28:46

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to plumboy, 11-09-2005 16:01:24

I have a 14 ton dozer I am going to sell. Its a Fiat Allis 11B, 6 cyl. turbo diesel, power shift transmission, 200hrs on new undercarriage. Its in excellent shape. I used it for the same thing, cleaning out fence rows and cutting ditches. I'm done with it now, sell for $14,000.

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JDknut

11-10-2005 03:59:08

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Re: Looking to get an old dozer for the farm,need in reply to plumboy, 11-09-2005 16:01:24

You are thinking about right in terms of the Case, or a Deere or CAT of similar size. For 20 grand you should be able to get a pretty decent small used machine. The undercarriage is the biggest thing in crawlers. The percent has to do with how much of the "rail" is worn down, this is the part of the track chain that rolls along the upper idler. You can compare it to a new one or to the other side of the link that is butted up to the underside of the track shoe. The looseness of the track is important, too. if it is too loose and can't be taken up, the pins and bushings have to be "turned" or replaced. To "turn" them, you press them out with a special press and turn them 180 degrees and press them back in, but if the track is loose and they already have been turned, then you have to press in new pins. On a 420 Deere crawler I had, it cost about $400 to get the pins turned, but the Case machines you are talking about will cost more. You don't want a loose track because if it throws the track it will be an SOB to get it back on. Also the drive sprockets and idlers are key. On some machines, if the sprocket teeth are sharp pointed it means they are worn. Also on my craawler, the front idler support bearing was completely gone and took part of the frame support with it, so I had to fix that, too. You could get someone who is real familiar with crawlers to go with you to look over a prospective machine. It might cost a few grand to get the undercarriage serviced depending on size, age, make, how much of the work you do (getting the tracks off, hauling them to the place that services them) etc. There is a lot of good info on the Crawler board, here, too. Good luck, excuse the long rambling post, hope it helps some.

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