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John 51

11-06-2005 08:22:17




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I would like to switch to no till for my corn but what about fertilizer? I only plant about 30 acres and have no way to knife anhydrous into the ground. If I spread fertilizer on top, won't the nitrogen just evaporate? Looking for suggestions. Thanks




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oliver88robb

11-07-2005 06:05:45




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to John 51, 11-06-2005 08:22:17  
The nitrogen won't evaporate, it may leach through the soil though. I have been no-till farming my whole life so far and have had great results. I would suggest spreading your dry fertilizer on when the ground is froze, we usually do it when there is snow on the ground. When the snow melts it carries the nutrients into the ground with it. I have never had much luck with using starter fertilizer, we try it once in a while just to see, usually only a bushel or 2 better, not worth it to me. When the corn is about 8-10" tall side dress the rest of your nitrogen on. If the local fert dealer doesn't have a 28% side dress bar small enough for you, build your own, they are not hard to make the hardest part is calibrating them. Then put some on later with a with post emergence herbicide application and that should do the trick for you.

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VADAVE

11-06-2005 12:35:37




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to John 51, 11-06-2005 08:22:17  
Here in Virginia coast most of the farmers plant with no starter fertilizer and the yields are down to match. Personally I use 200 lb of dry 17-17-17 as a starter. My theory is that the dry fertilizer releases it N over a longer period of time and thus is more available when the plant needs it--don't know it I right but the last 3 years I've been getting 160bu/ac to others 120-130. Then have the field sprayed with some N and burn-down before emergence. Then one more time with drop tubes when the corn is foot tall.

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John51

11-06-2005 14:48:58




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to VADAVE, 11-06-2005 12:35:37  
No trouble with that much starter? I've never put that much on with the planter. Do you use liquid N with the drop tubes to sidedress?



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N0.2

11-06-2005 10:49:53




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to John 51, 11-06-2005 08:22:17  
We've been no-tilling and using very little N at planting time, approx 35 to 40 lbs of actual N. We side dress with liquid 28%, putting down 35 gals.. At frist we used our sprayer with droptubes to keep the liquid N off the plant but the last two years we've used an old anhydrous applicater modified a little. Last year we had some 180 bu. corn and averaged 154. We're not done shelling yet ,but this years not nerely as good. hope to average around 100 bu. We went 9 weeks with .65 inches of rain!

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paul

11-06-2005 10:54:48




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to N0.2, 11-06-2005 10:49:53  
Are you using the savings in tillage to help offset the huge increase in fert bill? Anhydrous is so much cheaper 'here', hard to ignore it's use, liquid N workd for starter, but breaks the bank using it full-time....

--->Paul



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no.2

11-06-2005 13:34:02




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to paul, 11-06-2005 10:54:48  
Your right about the cost. It"s going to be worse next year the way it looks. Hardly no one in our area uses anhydrous any more. One fellow goes all 28% pre plant, 65 gallon! My son and I have talked about cutting about 5 gallon and putting it on a week or 10 days later than we have been.



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paul

11-06-2005 20:28:54




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to no.2, 11-06-2005 13:34:02  
Honestly, I don't know anyone that doesn't use anhydrous around here as part of the program. Can't afford to go with all liquid or all granular. Aa is best bang for the buck.

But then, I don't know anyone who does a true notill either - our very cold, very clay, extremely wet soils are not well suited for notill, to say the least. :)

I only applied in fall 2 years; mostly I apply in row when I can use less, but if we get a rare dry spring where I can get in the field, I'll put it on before planting.

--->Paul

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IaGary

11-06-2005 08:57:04




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to John 51, 11-06-2005 08:22:17  
Many farmers in my area using no-till are spraying liquid nitrogen on top with the herbicides. They seem to be getting along ok but I don't like the idea. We do have at local suppliers implements to knife in liguid nitro that pull fairly easy to side dress.Using sidedress you can get by with a lower rate.



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the tractor vet

11-06-2005 08:52:53




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to John 51, 11-06-2005 08:22:17  
It can be added as a carrier with the spray or ya can get a No till culivator and set it up with drop tubes and add 28% that way .



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edchainsaw

11-06-2005 20:01:55




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 Re: no-til corn in reply to the tractor vet, 11-06-2005 08:52:53  
My Uncle is in the Fert business.
we've done some no-tilling since 81 on and off mostly off.

we've done it all. and spreading on top is going to be out before long because of run off, that means spraying N as well. your going to have to knife it in someway. Large amounts of starter placed too close to the seed will kill germ.


last I read anhydros was going to be very close in cost to UREA this winter-- as Urea will be available from off shore suppliers and the local NH3 will be made from this $2 natural gas here in the USA.

we found that spraying N on top only works right 1 year out of 4. sunlight, tomuch rain, or not enough rain all these things make for problems.

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