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Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!!

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T_Bone

11-03-2005 22:16:03




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Hi All,

Well this should ruin someones day.

ABC15News , local TV news for Phoenix, did a story to night on how Cooper Tires have been failing in any State that has hot weather. It seams Cooper left out a rubber wedge that will cause the tread to come off, mostly during hot weather.

Cooper is the only tire mfg that does not have this rubber wedge that cost penny's to include in the manufacturing process and has known this to cause 218 deaths and 300 serious accidents since 1996 but refuses to include the wedge.

The news stated Cooper has been having the court files sealed upon settlement to prevent the news meadia from finding out the results.

You might wanna check your off brand tire names for the Cooper Tire mfg codes as they make a huge number of tires for different companys. You can get the codes from the link above.

I now have 14 Cooper tires mounted .

All I can say is some tire shop in gonna fall in love with my check book this next week.

T_Bone

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Glen in TX

11-04-2005 21:33:41




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
T Bone, Thanks for getting my attention with this. I put some new tires of a off brand on this summer because I had a Cooper tire seperate on the left front but luckily it didn't completely blow on me before getting it shut down. Wish I had saved that old tire and filed a complaint now. Oh well just hoping I don't find the codes to show that brand made my new ones.



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Keith-OR

11-05-2005 08:04:44




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 Cooper Tire give away. in reply to Glen in TX, 11-04-2005 21:33:41  
Hey Glen, I still have mine, all stacked up in a neat pile behind shed. Tried to give them to individuals that think the News media is beating up on Cooper tire....No takers!!..:-) :-)

Keith



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RayP(MI)

11-04-2005 17:00:51




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Keep your ear to the ground, if more infro surfaces, please let me know - Got a set of Coopers on my current vehicle, came with them on when I bought it used a year and a half ago.
So far, tires seem to be doing OK. Will take a special look at "em in the morning!



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TomTX

11-04-2005 12:45:19




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
T-Bone, I for one want to say "Thank You" for the heads up. It seems everyone just wants to shoot the messenger, or want to get off topic on the old, worn out Firestone issue. Others seem to want to immediately jump on you, just because they have Cooper tires on their truck.
Anyhow, just keep the news coming.



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T_Bone

11-04-2005 12:41:35




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Part Two! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Cooper Tires part two,

Well I didn't expect this to generate all the comments it has.

I too don't trust the news media too far, one being the exploding gas tank that they couldn't get to explode so they exploded it on purpous, and the general common sense that's lacking of the what they call news into today's world.

For the ones that didn't pick-up on the most important info I wanted to convey that this appears to be a tire problem in the hot weather in the Southern States, AZ, TX, S.Cal, NM, OK, FL from what I remember the map showing. Any body that's lived in one of these areas, knows that the heat and UV's can really damage a tire and is a concern to us more the South than in the Northern States just like frost heave and froozen pipes would not be a big deal in the South. They stated Cooper declined comment as the news media was not fare in there assements. That I agree with.

The written article was not very well presented like the TV coverage. The news media expert was guy that gave expert testiomony in the court cases of why Cooper had a blowout problems with there tires. Alot of questions he refused to answer as he stated the court would not let him comment. He did point out that any tire that did not have this rubber wedge that ran down the center of the tread would surely have a blowout with excessive heat build up.

I too have ran a tire low in tread depth and had a blowout and didn't have a problem one controlling my vehicle to a stop and it sure didn't flip my truck over like the accidents showed on the TV news. Makes me wonder just how many roll overs were severe driver error to a simple problem.

I've also went thru the 50's and 60's with Firebomb problems that my parents had and will never run a Fireblooper on any of my rigs. If you research Firekabooms track record, it's just about every 10yrs that they had the continious blowout problems.

I ran a set of Coopers in the 70's and 80's that I got great service from, 60k miles (4wd) and still looked good, but due to "my" abuse seperated the tread inbetween the ribs. Had I'd been able to find a Cooper dealer, I would have used them thru to today.

In any event I'm going to change my Cooper steer axle tires and since I have a 4wd, that requires a 6 tire replacement on my dualley. For $1400 it's just not worth the risk to me. I'll keep the tries on my trailer and use the take off tires for trailer replacement tires as the risk of accident or vehicle damage from a blowout is very low on my trailer duals.

T_Bone

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deanop

11-04-2005 11:25:54




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
i've had cooper on my vehicles for years trendsetters/at's/atr's ? they've all been great...but i'll listen to recall...the news loves to blow things out of prop..might be true though...



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Keith-OR

11-04-2005 08:18:45




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
I'm with T_Bone, I had my experience with Cooper tires last summer, One scary ride when tire seperates, peeled the tread on right front of F350 4X4 driving on freeway at 65 mph with loaded trailer on behind. Would not have scared me nearly as bad as it did but, had both of my children with me. Following day had all Cooper tires removed, WITHOUT seeing any report. Safety of my family is number one, do not like Cooper's VP's response to the problem. Will never run Cooper tires again!! JMO..

PS.I still have ALL of them (Cooper tires) stacked behind shed, so any takers. I'll ship!!..:-):>)

Keith in NE Oregon

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Buzzman72

11-04-2005 07:51:00




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
I have run Mastercraft tires, made by Cooper, for over 25 years, and I've NEVER had a tire failure due to quality problems. Usually it's been my own stupidity, like trying to get 60,000 miles on a set of tires, or not keeping the tires properly inflated.

And Mastercraft is one of Cooper's cheapest line of tires.



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Mike M

11-04-2005 16:59:40




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Buzzman72, 11-04-2005 07:51:00  
Try running some Michlens tires and 60,000 won't seen so stupid.



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Bill WI

11-04-2005 06:59:44




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Thanks for the posting T-bone. I like to keep informed.



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steve in in

11-04-2005 06:34:13




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
There is one investigation on the nhtsa website for cooper tires. It was closed on May 13, 1997. It was on a Moog chassis part.

There isn't even an investigation on the tires. Now maybe if you duct taped fireworks to the tires and sent them careening into another vehicle, maybe then the gas tank, I mean, tires might explode.

If a company like Firstone couldn't keep their problem under wraps, I'm pretty sure Cooper wouldn't be able to do it either.

I take it you live in Arizona. I might be worried about it then, but I would probably do like most people do now that the Firestone problem has ran its course. I would check my tires from time to time for delamination.

If it truly is a problem, I would imagine there would at least be an investigation.

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Allan in NE

11-04-2005 06:46:55




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to steve in in, 11-04-2005 06:34:13  
Comon Steve,

You really think that if people run their tires low on air pressure that the manufacturer should be found at fault?

Firestone was totally railroaded out of business on that deal. Smacked of the Salem witch hunts from day one.

Allan



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Leland

11-04-2005 18:03:36




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 06:46:55  
No Allan the union boys that worked at the Decatur plant had a lot to do with the f-stone failures ,they were upset with the way Bridgestone changed things when they bought the company and they did not like change to much they let a lot of crap roll out the door on purpose .



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steve in in

11-04-2005 07:52:47




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 06:46:55  
I think my post was pointing toward inattentiveness when it comes to maintenance of tires. Like I said, just check them on occasion.

I had the Wilderness tires on my truck and never had any problems. I replaced them when they had close to 50,000 miles on them. I know they weren't the affected size, but I still checked them. For an "Off Road" tire, they weren't very good for off road. I like my Bridgestone Revos a lot better.

On the other hand, my dad had an explorer with the Wilderness tires in the 235 size. His were delaminating and were replaced under the recall. To me it looked like they were just old and getting dry rotted.

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Allan in NE

11-04-2005 07:59:46




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to steve in in, 11-04-2005 07:52:47  
Hi Ya Steve,

Yep, I've been trying to train myself to stay outta these "firey" topics. Darnit, I slipped. :>)

Allan



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Jay (ND)

11-04-2005 08:22:40




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 07:59:46  
Allan - I've noticed that! I was staying out of the firey ones too until Kim put up the OhhTee board. Now I'm a lead instigator over there! lol It's a lot of fun. Mostly political, and I think everyone takes the ribbing in stride - just like it should be.



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Jay (ND)

11-04-2005 07:21:57




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 06:46:55  
Agreed 100% - but unfortunately, until they either make things idiot proof or drown 98% of the lawyers, crap like this will happen.



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Robert in W. Mi.

11-04-2005 07:21:19




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 11-04-2005 06:46:55  
Perhaps it's Ford that should have taken the hit, as it was them that recomended the lower pressures....

Robert



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jfp

11-04-2005 06:22:55




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
I bought a set of Cooper tires once and I didn't have the problems mentioned. They were hard to keep balanced and wore out quick, so I didn't buy anymore of them.

Now general tires, that's a problem. I have had 2 sets of the Ameri 550 and a friend had a set on his truck. The problem is the belts get streched and then the tread starts coming apart. They don't balance good either. I don't drive fast either, in fact people complain I drive to slow. Tires is an item that, you get what you pay for.

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NEsota

11-04-2005 06:02:37




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Seems to me that the media and people in it may do about as good a job as any other industry or their employees and managers. There is visibility and competition in the media which is more pronounced then in a lot of other places including government or the military. This is not to imply that they do not make mistakes and should not be told about them. Our democracy would be running on a flat without a good media

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Wascally Wabbit

11-04-2005 06:22:42




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to NEsota, 11-04-2005 06:02:37  
The lying elitists in the media need to be held accountable for EVERY word, every punctuation mark, every anonymous source that they print or speak. They deliberately fabricate or distort the facts to advance their agenda, which is the complete and utter destruction of morality, values, and our culture. When confronted with their lies and distortions, they hide behind THIER constitutionally "guaranteed" freedom of the press, but let an American patriot defend the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, or the Right to own property, and the elitist wh##res will cry foul, and say that those Rights are not relevant in a modern, diverse society.
EVERYONE who prostitutes themselves by working for these anti-American, anti-military, and "hate America first", newspapers, magazines, and networks, have proven themselves to be traitors and enemies of the state, and should face any and all of the consequences for their treason.

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wdtom

11-04-2005 17:05:06




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Wascally Wabbit, 11-04-2005 06:22:42  
Well said, shall we tar and feather then? Would love to. If that happened to a few of them after telling lies, well maybe the others would straighten out.



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midwest redneck

11-04-2005 06:35:59




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Wascally Wabbit, 11-04-2005 06:22:42  
Amen, you should run for prez. Mr. Bugs Bunny.



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jfp

11-04-2005 19:34:53




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to midwest redneck, 11-04-2005 06:35:59  
I'll vote for Mr. Bugs Bunny!



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BobMo

11-04-2005 05:34:35




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Doesn't appear to have much truth to it. Cooper couldn't have the records sealed only the amounts. I've used Cooper or Cooper made for years and have not experinced one problem. However I can't say the same for local & national news medias. For me that speaks for its self.



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Keith-OR

11-04-2005 07:27:03




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to BobMo, 11-04-2005 05:34:35  
Yes they can have records sealed. We filed a malpractive lawsuit against a Doc., Insurance made a LARGE settlement and conditions were that records were to be sealed. Records are not sealed from individuals that are involved, but sealed for everyone else...

Keith



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Jonfarmer

11-04-2005 05:20:42




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Take a look at most accidents and tell me how many deaths there are. 218 deaths in 300 crashes really tells me something. You will find people were exceeding the speed rating of those tires and when they wiped out, it was a bad one, your chances of survival get slimmer over 100mph especially when you hit trees and telephone poles. You may also find that those vehicles were driven by high school kids who started damaging them with a burnout and then took off at high speed and that finished them off. There are millions of Cooper tires out there currently in use, I even have them on my pickup. I wouldn't replace my tires just because of that news article as theres a 99.999999 chance nothing is going to happen with the tires you have and you can have any brand of tires and can hit a piece of debris in the road and blow them out anyways. Lesson of the story is don't try racing on tires that were not designed for it.

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3 cyl

11-04-2005 05:07:08




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
I had some signs of tread separation on one Cooper I was running. The dealer prorated it for treadwear and I got a new one for a reasonable price. Check it once a month for cracks where the tread meets the sidewall.

3 cyl



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Leroy

11-04-2005 04:36:02




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
The link just brings up a black screen. I have been running Cooper Tires off and on since the early sixty's with never a problem and the main headquarters is 50 mile from my home.



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RN

11-04-2005 02:11:04




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
Link info rather short- where did this info come from? Is this like Ford rollovers from low tire pressure? Is there a class action lawsuit involved somewhere? Can the info be verified? RN



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Midwest redneck

11-04-2005 01:59:08




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to T_Bone, 11-03-2005 22:16:03  
I dont know if Cooper tire is too blame or not, but one thing is for sure I dont like TV reporters finding root cause problems for things that they are not qualified to investigate. Are TV reporters engineers, or technicians, or failure cause/effect experts...I dont think so. Stupid is as Stupid does, TV reporters will do anything for a story even if it is false or an outright lie, remember that Jerko** at the New York times that made up stories to look important. If Cooper tire is not assembling tires properly then I would think that the Justice department or NTSB would get on their tail ASAP. I just cant trust the media for important issues anymore. Sorry for venting.

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paul

11-04-2005 07:30:49




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-04-2005 01:59:08  
Was going down a 4 lane one time, my wife & her friend were in the truck ahead passing an older car. Rear tire tread flew off that car, the whoel rear end picked up, car angled to the left when it came back down. Sure looked scary, heck of a ride. They kept it from hitting anything.

Media is all about ratings these days, just another business, just another big corporation. They can be lumped in with the big bad corporations everyone is talking about - same big bad evil. I do not trust them at all. Exploding trucks, Food Lyon, and so on. I don't want them silenced, but they are all about selling commercial time with hype, not at all about informing people. Yuk.

--->Paul

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Midwest redneck

11-04-2005 10:24:56




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to paul, 11-04-2005 07:30:49  
Yeah, I think it can be called sensationalism. Its all about entertainment and razmataz.



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Keith-OR

11-04-2005 07:15:37




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-04-2005 01:59:08  
I would like to know when you have ever seen big Corps or Gov. do or change anything WITHOUT someone blowing the whistle on them. Maybe the News media is not what it used to be, but where would we the American public be without it, Maybe Irac, Iran, maybe even Cuba pick your poison..I for one have some of Cooper Junk tires, had them on my Ford F350 4x4. Running down last summer the freeway at 60 mph, right front tire seperated pealed tread off. One scary ride especially with kids in truck with me daughter 6 and son 19 (handycapped). How would you like this to happen to you with Your family in vehicle!!! I did not wait for any report to remove cooper tires from my Truck, I still have them (Cooper tires) stacked behind shed so if you want to put them on your truck I will gladly pay freight to ship them your way...JMHO.... No offense intended, just that Cooper tires are a sore spot with me.

Keith

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Dave 2N

11-04-2005 03:40:37




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-04-2005 01:59:08  
Amen and well said!!

Your concerns about the media are totally valid. The media's "objective" reporting is one of the biggest problems we have in this country today. Too many people think that if Rather or Brokaw or Jennings said it, then it just has to be true! People have lost their ability to analyze and think for themselves.



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Midwest redneck

11-04-2005 04:10:48




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Dave 2N, 11-04-2005 03:40:37  
It is sort of like me going to a nuclear power plant and finding problems and telling the folks there how to do their jobs.....only thing is I aint qualified to tell them how to do anything. It doesnt make sense and I think that it would take a lawsuit against one of the news networks like CBS or something to get them to shutup and keep their nose out of private business affairs.



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And

11-04-2005 03:59:27




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to Dave 2N, 11-04-2005 03:40:37  
Didn't Dan Rather lose his anchor job for false reporting?



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midwest redneck

11-04-2005 04:12:03




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to And, 11-04-2005 03:59:27  
Yep, Dan Blather ought to climb back into the sewer which he came from.



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Jack B. Nimble

11-04-2005 05:13:14




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 Re: Cooper Tires!!! Huge Problems!!! in reply to midwest redneck, 11-04-2005 04:12:03  
I"m guessing the whole is thing is bullS@# brought on by one isolated incident or a some reporter ticked off at his local tire center. We use Cooper tires on our fleet of 40 some work trucks from 3/4 ton pickups up to semis and have never had a problem. This reminds me of the reports that chevy trucks will ALWAYS explode in every fender bender and all ford explores are liable to overturn and kill you just sitting in the driveway. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

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