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720Deere

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New-Gen

10-10-2005 05:47:17




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Sorry if I sounded a little defensive down the page, but that guy touched a nerve. It just has always been a pet peeve of mine that guys like Loren can get by with that until they hurt somebody, while the DOT is on commerial haulers,MOST of whom run safe (not saying there aren't a few bad apples out there) like stink on schitt.

And I'm with you 100% on the unfairness of the laws...The small trucks and trailers need the safety devices like headboards just as much as the big rigs.

What would really be funny would be to hear the conversation between Loren and the DOT officer who finally catches him...

Too bad I had to go and skroo up my reply by messing up simple math, but what can I say...I don't have a second grader in the house and the batteries were dead on my calculater...

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thejdman01

10-10-2005 19:44:19




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 Re: 720Deere in reply to New-Gen, 10-10-2005 05:47:17  
unfortunately there is a gentlemen around here that loads his tractors this way. he drives the tractor up on the trailer puts a clevice in the hitch puts the chain through the clevice moderately tight pulls the tractor ahead a few more inches till the rear chain is tight sets the parking brake. then he puts a chain on the front and chainbinds that. he has done it for years. trying to tell yhim otherwise is wasting oxygen. it is very scary to live near him.

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720Deere

10-10-2005 19:52:52




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 Re: 720Deere in reply to thejdman01, 10-10-2005 19:44:19  
How many times have you seen one pull into a show with two chains and binders just flappin in the breeze? It's supposed to be God's way of weeding out the morons, but I think they end up harming others more than themselves most of the time!



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720Deere

10-10-2005 13:55:22




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 We're cool! in reply to New-Gen, 10-10-2005 05:47:17  
No need for apologies! I didn't disagree with, I was just busting your nads there. I'm a big boy, if I don't like what's said I won't participate. I can take it as well as I can dish it out.

That attitude or line of thinking that we are talking about is dangerous. This subject has come up many times in the past 6 months and it will always be debated. We haul 2 tractors at a time on a 28' rollback and have always used 4 chains and binders per tractor. They sometimes weight more than 10,000 lbs, but that's not the point here. Even if they were Cubs I would do the same. We have less than $500 invested in our Grade 70 3/8" chains and 1/2" binders. The binders are Harbor Freight specials, but they are rated at 9200 lbs and they will never see half of that. For that price it is hardly worth taking the chance and no more often than they get used (15 times a year) they will last a long time.

Yes the Federal Regs say you are required to use a minimum of 2 securements on anything under 10000 lbs, but it also says that whatever you use must be capable of stopping movement in ALL directions. It is not possible to do that with 2 chains and 2 binders let alone 2 chains and 1 binder! There is also a 60% holdback requirement on the rear chains. If you have a 9500 lb tractor with 1 chain and binder each front and rear(the law says 2 right?) you do not meet the 60% holdback requirement. 60% of 9500 is 5700 lbs and 3/8" grade 70 chain is only rated 5400 lbs. Just because we do something and get away with it doesn't mean it is safe or right. It will catch up with you eventually.

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RustyFarmall

10-10-2005 06:21:45




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 Re: 720Deere in reply to New-Gen, 10-10-2005 05:47:17  
We all make mistakes from time to time. As far as I'm concerned you don't need to apologize to anyone. Loren is the one who should apologize, afterall, it's bad enough when you do it wrong yourself, but then to get on this board and recommend his method to everyone else? If I were a D.O.T. officer I would be laying for Loren.



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