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Crossing the Canadian Border

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Billy NY

09-21-2005 04:44:56




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I bought a nice clean old '64 F-600 with an Obeco grain dump body, from a dealer in Sebewaing Michigan and by looking at the map, driving from Troy, New York, the shortest route is going through Canada, first crossing over north of Niagara Falls from 190 to 405, Queenston-Lewiston bridge, through Canada ending up on 402 by Sarnia / Port Huron, to cross over on to 69. I will drive a small car on the trip out, and then load the car on to the F-600 and make the trip in reverse. Anyone done this route recently ? Few questions:

1.) What still works as ID at the border, I'm U.S. resident have a Class A CDL license, and birth certificate, S.S. card and the usual back-up, no Passport according to what I read on the Customs & immigration website, that should be sufficient, any tips greatly appreciated

2.) When returning, the F-600 will probably have AG plates or Historical plates or whatever works here in NY, but does this route prohibit trucks this size for any reason.

3.) The alternative is to head south further and go through Ohio, increasing the distance and time of the trip, have heard of construction delays on this route, the guy at the dealer said this would be be better on the way back, than going back through Canada, anyone know why that is ?

I'll contact the Immigration/Customs office and see what they say, but anyone who has done this recently may know better.

Thanks Again !

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Hugh MacKay

09-21-2005 19:07:08




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
Billy: I cross the border usually twice weekly both ways. From a commercial traffic point of view, the trip back home should be stateside. Once you load that little car on the truck, you become a commercial trucker. For a one way trip, once in a long time, just wouldn't be worth the hassel.

You will have no problem making the car trip, just have good valid photo ID, birth certificate is good. Have all ownership and insurance for your car. I'll give you a little tip on crossing border both ways. Know exactly where you are going, name the contact person at destination if possible. For example I go to Detroit often, more precicely Detroit Produce terminal or to Hamtramck. If I say I'm going to Detroit, without question US Customs will ask for ID. If I give the suburb like Hamtramck along with steet rarely will they ever ask even for ID. Big secret with both US and Canada Customs, don't be hesitant.

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Bob M

09-22-2005 07:17:02




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-21-2005 19:07:08  
Good point Hugh!

I too have found the best strategy is to be VERY explicit to customs inspectors about your destination, your planned duration, etc. Also to have photo ID's for yourself (and passengers), vehicle papers, etc. ready on the dash to hand to the inspector if requested.

Another tip: Have your NY auto insurance carrier print you an "Interprovince Insurance Card" for each of the vehicles you plan to drive in Canada. (The insurance co. will provide the card to you free of charge.) Then should you be stopped by the OPP or be involved in an accident in Canada, the insurance card(s) can save you time, phone calls and paperwork.

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Billy NY

09-21-2005 19:22:23




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-21-2005 19:07:08  
I was thinking just that,get a bill of sale faxed or overnighted, something on their company letter head, a copy of the ad, plus everything on the car, etc. I was thinking of doing a one way rental on the way out, might see if that will work, but as far as the paper trail, from managing large construction projects, I've been meticulous about paperwork, documentation etc., no doubt being hesitant is going to work against you, I've already memorized my destination adress and contact there.

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MSD

09-21-2005 18:47:42




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
Some maps have the phone numbers of the port of entry stations. You might find one that has the number of the one at the crossing you will be using and call there directly ahead of time and see what they require. I did this on a trip to BC. Had no trouble going in or bringing a crawler back. As long as you can prove it was made in the US originally, there is no import/ export duties.



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Dave_Id

09-21-2005 12:16:27




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
I was up in VanCouver last month. I had drivers license. I got held up going into Canada, I had to convince them I was an American. Dang, now that I think of it, I shouldn't have been driving a foreign car. Anyway... it's not required yet, but very soon, and it was highly recommended on both sides of the border to get a passport.



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Bob M

09-21-2005 11:51:36




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
I cross both ways at Lewiston-Queenston fairly frequently - most recently this past weekend. Lately there have been no problems going either direction other than an occasional long (30+ minute) wait for customs inspection.

Since 9/11 we've been asked to produce photo ID's and vehicle papers re-entering NY state - there's signage instructing you to have this stuff ready when you reach the inspection booths. However my last few trips I've only been asked the routine questions about citizenship, duration of stay and if there were firearms on board. No showing of photo ID, passport, etc has been required.

Regarding carrying your car on board the truck, check both NY and Ontario V&T laws. With historical or AG plates there MAY restrictions on what can legally be transported, but I'm not certain.

Suggest also check with the Ontario Ministry of Transportation (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/index.html) whether you'll need to stop at truck weigh stations along your route.

Good luck! And fill your truck in Michigan - gas is more expensive north of the border!

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kanuck

09-21-2005 08:35:03




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
The trip through with the car should be no problem. I don't think you need a passport (yet) but take several forms of I.D. and nothing else! Even a packed lunch can get you in trouble at the border due to fruit fly and mad cow concerns. I would go through Ohio on the way back as crossing the border with a car as "freight" would be a huge hassle trying to prove origin, destination, import export taxes road worthiness of the truck and whatever other bullcrap they can think of!

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Billy NY

09-21-2005 10:26:20




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to kanuck, 09-21-2005 08:35:03  
That is what I was wondering, it's hard to get the reality of what you need to do and be able to use the same route to return, from the US govt website, to save time etc., but "I ain't no dummy" LOL you can bet I'll go around on the way back, so I'll get there sooner, get home later, and see some different parts of the country on the way, figuring, if on my way back, I start early A.M., I should be able to drive mostly during the day, which will be nice, about 775 miles I think going back, 607 on the way out, not sure what traffic is like around the major cities on the way.

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wdtom

09-21-2005 18:15:08




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 10:26:20  
If it is bsically 800 miles back the long way, that is 16 hours if you drive continusoly at 50 mph. I doubt you will average any more than that if that, how is a 64 truck geared? It may be cranking pretty good at 55 or 60 mph, you may not want to push it too much faster for that long unless it is in real good shape. And you will need some stops for fuel, food, rest, taking a leak, etc. Averageing 50 mph will be doing good I think. I would allow up to 20 hours as you may want a nap too at some point. Are you taking tools, oil, etc. If the truck isn't in top condition I would check the rear end, transmission and grease everything before I moved it onto the freeway. And take oil to top off these gearboxes if they should leak or develope a leak. I think, even though it is longer I would avoid Canada too. You might get by OK, but on the other hand you could get caught in something that would cost you hours and $$$. Maybe take some gas cans too to buy where gas is less.

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Billy NY

09-21-2005 19:12:21




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to wdtom, 09-21-2005 18:15:08  
I'mnot sure how this one is geared, although many 4+2's I've ran seemed to be geared high, not as low as some 5+2's, I guess I'll find out. This one is in seemingly good shape, and we must think alike, I gave the seller a laundry list of things to change & flush, check out etc., rear, trans., engine, etc. I'll be bringing spare everything,oil, spare fuel cans etc. some tools etc. I paid extra to have it checked out, now when I pull the plug on the rear and it looks like chocolate milk, I'll not be taking no for answer, the guy is well aware that I am methodical, but not a pain, seemed like nice people at this dealer and hope they kept their end of the deal. I got a ton of photos on this one, for what I paid, I can't go wrong, it'll pay for itself this year and it's going to be sharp when I get done detailing and restoring it, especially after I paint it. I'm sure this will be a marathon run, but even with gas prices, it should be less than $500, not sure what it would run to ship, I lucked out 3 years ago when I had a D-7 hauled in from Illinois, at 1.33/mile, 1200 miles. I'll attach a link to the truck

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wdtom

09-22-2005 18:19:19




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 19:12:21  
That IS a nice looking truck! And putting the car in the back will make it ride a little better for you too. Good luck with the trip and let us know how it goes.



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Billy NY

09-22-2005 18:58:40




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to wdtom, 09-22-2005 18:19:19  
Will do, this car is an overweight roller skate, a '91 Mecury Capri, XR-2, nice little convertible with a 4 cyl. turbo, it gets excellent mileage and I don't think it weighs but 2000 lbs. and it is tiny, have to check the registration on the weight. I'm sure the trip ought to be memorable, hopefully without incident too !



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Maine Fordson

09-22-2005 07:17:30




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 Re: Ford F-600 in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 19:12:21  
That's a nice-looking truck, Billy. Should clean up real good.

I've got a '62 F-600 that I've had for 20 years; have been toying with the idea of painting it up, but it's nowhere near as straight as that one of yours. Engine is a finicky 292 V-8, and trans is 4-spd w/ OD. Might be time to part it out, if anyone even wants parts for something of that vintage...

On another note...

Don't ya just love dealers? Notice how they got the hose out and sprayed the cab of the truck down so it would look nice and shiny in the photos. (Personally, I take a real close look at anything over 40 years old that has paint that's not seriously oxidized! Plenty of folks out there who'll dress up an old hog and try to sell it as a prizewinning sheep!)

Good luck with your trip: Keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down!

-- Maine Fordson

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Billy NY

09-22-2005 09:23:04




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 Re: Ford F-600 in reply to Maine Fordson, 09-22-2005 07:17:30  
LOL - hey that is too funny, but that was the first thing this guy told me on the phone, he said it was just washed and the sheen on it is the water, he made it clear the paint was faded, he was an honest sort about it, but still had the voice of a salesman, he is the owner though, got an extra $200 to service everything I asked about, which was everything. It's got a little rust under the doors, and the cab corner on one side, but I think it will be sharp. I'll not run it in bad weather like slush and salt, gonna have to put up a building now, I found a pole barn to dismantle for $500 26 x 40, so that ought to come in handy to haul it home. It will cost more to run, but it is easy to work on, will fit in my garage, kind of a neat old classic, love the fords from the late 50's - mid 60's, and should not be a major restoration, lot of cleaning and prepping for paint, + a lot of the aftermarket parts that for pick-up truck restorations fit this one too, say like door gaskets, interior, lights, etc., This guy immediately sent several groups of good resolution photos of every inch of the truck, it appears to be in great shape and nothing is hidden, so I took the chance, he knows I've got to drive it home, have to be a real jerk to sell something and know it won't make the trip home, I doubt that is the case, he's got bigger fish to fry on the modern ones. It may have some leaks, saw a lot of caked on grease on the rear, but will pull the plug periodically and see. I'll get it home somehow. Brake lines look fine, it'll need new rear tires, and a lot of little things that will be more like fun, than work to restore. I'm looking forward to it.

I've found a great truck salvage yard in Nebraska, he's got a 58 F 500 or 600 with the same grain body on, missing a hood and I think a motor, but it looks like it should not have even been parted, too bad, really nice in the photos I'd snag it, these will disappear someday too. He's also got several of these F series, + who knows what else, parts are still around for these, they are easy to work on, so you may not want to part yours if it is in any reasonable shape, same id true on the GM products. Those grain trucks from the midwest are good deals if you need a single axle at a low cost, cannot go wrong, even if they'll cost more to run, this truck will pay for itself in 6 months tops.

These are like the old classic cars, but nowhere near as in demand, easy to restore in this shape and I'd bet after some moderate work one could make a profit off the sale of one.

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Errin OH

09-21-2005 08:13:03




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
I would consider flying out and driving back or having someone drive your car back. But you may still have problems with the type of vech your in. One of the hurdles you will have to go thru is a bond. When you bring equipment across the border they will want the import tax. But since you only passing thru all they will require is a bond and some paper work to guarantee your not leaving it there. Once you prove nothing stayed in Canada you get it back. We tried to get a trailer from Detroit to Buffalo. $10,000 declared value, $1500 (I think it was) bond. Bout 3 weeks to get approval.

We went around..... ..... ..

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Mike M

09-21-2005 07:35:10




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
I would avoid anything to do with border crossings,I've heard too many horror stories.



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Jonfarmer

09-21-2005 06:27:43




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
last time I crossed was about 2 months ago. All you need for ID is a good valid photo ID drivers license, and it wouldn't hurt to carry a second form, such as your birth certificate. They may check your automobile, so take out any guns, knives, bazookas, that type of thing out along with any other junk thats in your car that you don't need. The goverment is kicking around the idea of needing a passport to cross into Cananda, but they hadn't decided to do it last I knew. They also look for achoholic beverages, recreational drugs, ammunition, anything that goes bang, so leave that stuff to home. And of course they are going to ask you on both sides what was the purpose of your trip, and you'd better have all the paperwork to your car in it, and you'd better have all the paperwork 100% completed and done right on that truck because if it isn't, you could spend many hours held at the border.
Hope this helps

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Jimmy King

09-21-2005 05:57:03




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 Re: Crossing the Canadian Border in reply to Billy NY, 09-21-2005 04:44:56  
From what I hear you will have to have a Passport to get back into the U.S. better check that out with Customs. This is some thing brand new.



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