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TnT

09-19-2005 15:46:27




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I found a Freeman brand loader that was on a 550 Oliver tractor. I want to install it on a 1957 851 Ford. How much trouble is that going to be? What type of mounting hardware will I need? Thanks for the help.




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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

09-20-2005 16:09:42




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 Re: making a loader fit in reply to TnT, 09-19-2005 15:46:27  
I had a local farmer/mechanic move a Freeman loader from a Ferguson TEA20 to a slightly longer and considerably heavier Massey Ferguson 35. He said it would be no problem, and then set about cutting lots of pieces of 1/4" plate to make it fit.

The loader frame (tube, in my case) is basically in two parts, and can be bolted on however wide, with just a modification to the parts which reach across the tractor. To match the fixed width of the front half of the loader, Don merely twisted the two frame-halves until they lined up with the loader, then welded away. So as not to interfere with the controls, he fabricated a cross-brace to go through forward of the battery, instead of just in front of the operator's knees.

The longer wheelbase on the 35 meant that the heavy tube which comes up, bends 180 and goes back down to the frame to hold the pin from the loader (sorry about the lack of vocabulary) was too close to the rear tire for me to get on and off comfortably, so I asked Don to move it forward. He cut and pasted until I had enough room for easy access to the tractor seat.

With three new double-acting cylinders, he decided that the frame needed strengthening, so he ran a piece of 2 X 8" 1/4" channel steel across under the tubes-which-support-the-hinges-of-the-bucket as a third suspension point. He assured me that the tractor can still be broken in two in case of clutch repair.

Many other gussets and braces got fabricated as he went. New bolts held the frame and the fenders to the back axles.

It didn't look to me as if it could possibly fit, but the whole thing works pretty well, though with a slight slant to the left, a legacy of the cropped support tubes, I think. Tire chains went on and served all winter without mishap. The loader frame doesn't interfere with access to the engine or controls, and I can get on the tractor from the left as easily as before.

Don billed me 21 hours of labour for the installation.

Hope this helps, Rod.

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Mike (WA)

09-20-2005 08:34:09




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 Re: making a loader fit in reply to TnT, 09-19-2005 15:46:27  
I put a Freeman on an Oliver 550, and it was not difficult. It mounts only on the front center (below the grill), and under the rear axles. Does your Ford have a flat area under the grill with threaded holes? That's what you'll need, and its only a matter of drilling new holes in the mounting plate of the loader to match up to your holes. Rear mount is simply bolting the rear of the loader rails under the rear axle with U-bolts. Most difficult part of mounting mine was that the loader was too short for the tractor (I wonder what it had been mounted on, as I didn't know anything was shorter than an Oliver 550)- I had to get plates made to lengthen the loader at the front. Measure the distance from the front mounting surface on your Ford to the rear axle, and compare with the length of the loader, to see if you've got enought length. Mine uses a front pump with shaft to the front engine pulley- I know the older Fords were the same, don't know about yours. A front pump is much more satisfactory than using tractor hydraulics.

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wayne2

09-19-2005 21:49:02




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 Re: making a loader fit in reply to TnT, 09-19-2005 15:46:27  
Does Ford have king pins or spindles. have a 300 case with spindles,mounted loader rolled over a 3" root spindle broke!! dealer wanted $$$$ got it welded for 20$ took loader off and made 300 on resale. Welder, measuring tape, drill press, some extra iron, portaband saw-should set you up, having iron to rear axel would behove you as some tractors have snapped at bell housing-trans connection(think long and hard) Luck Wayne

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Mark - IN.

09-19-2005 21:01:43




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 Re: making a loader fit in reply to TnT, 09-19-2005 15:46:27  
Well, not familiar with a Freeman brand loader, and never owned a Ford tractor, but you are going to need hydraulics for starters. And you certainly are going to have to line things up to see where they"re going to mount up in the first place. May not be hard at all.

I"ve got one Deere that the loader mounts to the frame rails. Have a smaller Deere that it"s loader mounts to the engine block at the transmission. Never having ever owned an 851 but having seen them, I"m going to figure that your"s is gonna be the same as my smaller Deere.

Probably the best thing for you to do, if you haven"t, is post over at the Ford (click on Ford) board and ask the Ford folks. Bet they"d know for sure. Good luck, and use that 851 safely.

Mark

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