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The best utility tractor made.

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R.M.Evans

09-19-2005 14:14:03




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I am looking for the best utility tractor.
It should be older so as to have proven
itself and cost much less than new tractors.
It should also be able to do anything from
cutting hay to digging ponds and do all this
while getting good fuel economy and not take damadge no matter how hard it is run.
Now I'm sure you all have a favorite tractor
brand, model or size but, what is the very
best ones made that fit this discription if
any.Thanks for any opinion.

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Joe MD

09-20-2005 15:20:42




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
The best utility tractor ever made is either the one you have or the one you wish you had.



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Mark - IN.

09-20-2005 04:18:01




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
Such a question can and will only start color wars. But, who's your local dealer fot the tractor, parts, supplies, labor? And digging a pond with a utility tractor? I'm not thinking that's going to happen, not very effectively. Big articulated Stiegers, Deeres, New Hollands and the likes get worked into the ground with scrapers that don't typically go down to pond depth. Not that they couldn't though. Good luck just the same.

Mark

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JDknut

09-20-2005 03:49:25




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
Massey 135 or if you want a little bigger, Massey 165. These are the best tractors of those sizes ever made.



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RodinNS

09-19-2005 20:03:13




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
The 4000 and 5000 Fords are probably as tough, economical and reliable as you will find. That's a post '65 4000. What you will do with the tractor, and your preferences as an operator will be a major factor in determining if you like the shift ratios on the transmission, and the hydraulic capacity. They don't pump as much oil, and don't have as much 3-point lift capacity as Ford's newer models from the 10 series. The old 8x2 transmission is purely indestructable, but it has 2 reverse speeds. Too slow, and too fast. That isn't good with a loader, especially if you're pressed for time or are trying to be efficient. PTO's, axles and brakes are all quite strong and reliable. Tractors are fairly heavy. The engines will run and run and run, and then keep going. So, if you want a simple brute reliable old tractor, they would be my pics. If you want updated features with better transmissions, more hydraulic capacity, nicer steering, and mabey FWD, then I would look at a 3910, 3930 (definitely for the 8x8 synchro tranny), 4610, 4630 (tranny), 5610, 6610..... then you're getting to about 72 hp with the 6610. When you get to the 8x8 tranny.... well it's not as tough. I found out the hard way. But it's a lot nicer to work with..... soo.... I also like the larger capacity hydraulics on the newer models. It's a lot more relevant for what I'm doing. I find that the 4000 is now pretty well outclassed for most of my gear..... Also keep in mind that some of the durability is probably lost in the hydraulic systems of the newer models... After all, they are the basics of the older systems simply updated and pushed to higher levels. I haven't found that the life cycle is there on the pumps. Perhaps that's just me.
If I had to pick one tractor for general light utility work, I would probably go with the Ford 4630, with dual pumps, dual remotes, 8x8 shuttle transmission, and FWD. It has considerable capacity to do a lot of very hard work with those features, provided that maintenance is kept top notch, and the front axle is not over ballasted so as to make the tractor pull. It should be a very economical tractor to operate, and last a long time. The Ford 30 series were very very capable tractors.
If you don't like Ford, then there's lots of old pelters out there from Massey, IH, Case, David Brown, and Deere that are probably worth looking at. As far as I'm concerned, they all have their strong points and their weak points. They all have one thing in common. They will ALL break down, especially if they are pounded and not maintained. Well, that's my kick at the can.....

Rod

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J. Schwiebert

09-19-2005 18:59:52




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
This dig a pond line with a utility tractor? Around here ponds even small ones are dug with a D7 or D8 Cat.Otherwise it will take you a lifetime to do it. Buy what you can get dealer service for in your neighborhood.



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KB

09-19-2005 18:31:53




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
I"ll speak from what I know. I have used both a MF135 and JD1020. The JD had a loader and backhoe on it whearas the MF did not and I would not have felt comfortable with that much weight on the MF. I would take the 1020 any day over the 135. The JD has true live hydraulics driven from the engine not the transmission (push the PTO clutch in and all the sudden no hydraulic power) and was available with differing size pumps, if the tractor was orginally equipped with a loaded than you should have the higher capacity pump. The JD also have wet hydraulic brakes which are far superior to the mechanical shoe brakes on the MF. The JD diesel engine is very economical to run and reiable and starts reasonably well when cold the MF that I had experience with was a gasser and although reasonably reliable used a lot of gas in my opinion. I have been told that the Perkins desiel is supposedly much better in the MF tractor. After running both all day the JD is much easier on you and much more comfortable to run the petal position and operation on the MF are hard on the knees (at least mine anyways). The last point I will make is that the JD is built much heavier than the MF which if you look real close at it looks more like an update 1939 Ford 9N. I have followed numberous questions like yours and I firmly believe the JD1020 gets overlooked.

Really these are just my opinions and you are the one that has to live with the tractor not me so ..... ....

Good luck and as far as the not breaking thing goes if you find one of those please let me know.

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wolfman

09-19-2005 17:13:31




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
The best utility tractor is likely the one with the least honest low hours. I'd say a red one, a blue one, a green, the other red or the other green. Maybe even silver. I bought a 1977 no doubt about it 1000 hr Int 574 to pretty-up & resell & just had to keep it; Handy, solid strong & tight like a new one. A little workhorse, too.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

09-19-2005 16:56:00




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
It depends on what you want to do with it. Two models make an interesting comparison: the International 414 Diesel and the Massey Ferguson 35 Deluxe with Perkins diesel. Both were built in the early sixties and sell today for well under $5k.

The difference? The Perkins starts really well, winter and summer. Our International had to be plugged in all winter. On the other hand, the International is a strong loader tractor and the MF 35 has a low-capacity hydraulic pump, no differential lock, and an adequate, but less sturdy front axle.

Nevertheless, my choice is the MF35 because of the great-sounding engine, excellent fuel economy, and good ride over rough ground. It's a likeable machine, and I never thought much of the International.

Both of these tractors are small, strong, durable and cheap.

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Mike M

09-19-2005 16:28:16




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
I think you are going to be dissappointed as NOBODY makes one that will do all that and never break no matter how hard you beat it.



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Robert in W. Mi.

09-19-2005 16:49:23




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to Mike M, 09-19-2005 16:28:16  
I agree, it hasn't been invented yet!!

Robert



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buickanddeere

09-19-2005 16:41:57




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to Mike M, 09-19-2005 16:28:16  
Amen Mike. Ok you cannot afford new like me but I certainly can't afford the money,time and lost production. Repairing an old,high houred and previously abused/accident experienced machine. In order to get an accurate idea of what used prices should be. Have a look at your local dealers of choice and price new, particularly during incentives at year end. The Deere 5105 M4WD is a lot of tractor for the money. Keep away from the 5000, 5000 ten and 5000 twenty series.

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wolfman

09-19-2005 17:07:28




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to buickanddeere, 09-19-2005 16:41:57  
Why do you say keep away from the 00,10, & 20 series? Just wondering. Thanks.



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Tony C.

09-19-2005 17:06:16




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to buickanddeere, 09-19-2005 16:41:57  
Why do you say to avoid those other series? Is it just that they cost more, or have they had problems not found in the 05 series? I thought the 05 series is their bare-bones, bottom of the line model with few options available.



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buickanddeere

09-20-2005 05:49:09




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to Tony C., 09-19-2005 17:06:16  
The 2WD 03 built in India are the basic bare bones. The 05's built in the US can be loaded up with lots of goodies. Purchase a 4WD and radial tires, everything else is just a toy for cutting lawns. The 5000,5000 tens and even the 5000 twenties are a p.o.s. and that's coming from someone who bleeds green. The dumb *ss at Deere who pushed the 5000 series as bright idea should be made to trade jobs with the janitorial staff. I'm certain more common sense would have been used. Deere made a huge mistake discontinuing the old but proven New Generation Mannheim built tractors. And unlike with the 2010 when they knew they had messed up. Instead of scrapping the 5000 series like the 2010 was. The executives kept trying to polish a t*rd instead of admitting they made an error. The 2155,2355,2555, 2755,2955 & 3155 were exceptional. All they needed to do was just bolt in the latest tier I or II engine and go. Try purchasing a used one at an auction sale. People in the know bid more for a 15 year old 55 series than for a four year old 5000 twenty series.

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Tony C.

09-20-2005 09:29:15




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to buickanddeere, 09-20-2005 05:49:09  
I believe what you're saying, but the fact is JD does offer a lot more factory options on the 20 series than the 05 series like more tire size options, including radials, power reverser, creeper trans, etc. as well as larger models with 4-cyl engine. Maybe this is how they get you to move up to the more expensive machine.

Now I see the 25 series is out, the engines in the samller ones seem all together different, 5-cyl if I remember correctly.

Thank for the info.

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Galen

09-19-2005 16:28:13




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
Ford 8N and up. IHC made a few god ones (300,350, 454, etc).



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j cook (iowa)

09-19-2005 15:40:42




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
look for something with the words "MASSEY-FURGESON on it. It should have a model designation between 135 and 698, with models like 135, 165, 175, 180 for tractors built around 35 years ago to the 2xx and 3xx models built somewhat more recently! For Deluxe tractors, the old John Deere 1020 through 2440 tractors are also good---just more pricey. You can also look at the ferd range as suggested by another poster. Forget the John deere 1010 and 2010 (both are junk) and the older gas powereed tractors of any make if they are over about 45hp! For something fairly recently built, add Kubota to the list.

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dave from MN

09-19-2005 15:20:46




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
Get a IH 544 deisel utility. Heck, any older utility based off a proven row crop should be good. Look at it early in the morning when it is cool, as to make sure it starts well in cold weather. Make sure you get one with enough HP or you will find fuel $ high cause you will always be opening it up to get the job done.



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Sloroll

09-19-2005 15:11:01




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
You have just described my wife, but she isn't for sale. Still looks good with 46 years wear on her. Never been repainted, all origional parts.



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Mark - IN.

09-20-2005 04:19:24




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Chuckle.

Mark



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colekicker

09-19-2005 15:03:11




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
I would have to say, for utility tractors, that Ford has probably the best. In my area in Texas, where it is mostly hay production, they dominate the market. From the 2600, 3600, 4600, 5600, 6600, 7600, these were all good tractors. The 10 series, 2610, 3610, 4610, 5610, 6610, and 7710 were all excellent tractors also. But, one utility tractor of the early 90's that was very good was the 3930. For a 45 hp tractor, it could do about anything. These tractors all had common parts for the brand, and these parts had been used for years. In my opinion, they are easy to maintain, service and they have great longevity.

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Missouri Boy

09-19-2005 14:28:02




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
The John Deere salesman says they have a pretty good one. but the Agco dealer does not agree a she claims a deere is overpriced junk. Really I do not know but would suggest a Forb 9-N 0r 2-N



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Jonathan Brown

09-19-2005 14:22:18




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to R.M.Evans, 09-19-2005 14:14:03  
IH 656 utility or an IH 300 utility



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delbert from Lincoln

09-19-2005 14:33:57




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to Jonathan Brown, 09-19-2005 14:22:18  
Ferguson 35 or Massey Ferguson 35 (same tractor, just a name change)



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bi;; 71

09-19-2005 15:04:31




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 Re: The best utility tractor made. in reply to delbert from Lincoln, 09-19-2005 14:33:57  
ford 4000 i h 404



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