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Mike in Ind.

09-07-2005 18:51:38




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Hey guy I need some help. Does anybody know of a place that carries straight 30 weight oil? All I can find at wally world is a cheapie non detergent oil, and a wallmart brand HD30. I know I don"t want the non detergent junk but what is the HD30? They only want $1.07 a quart for it. Thanks for your help guys! Mike




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Leland

09-08-2005 20:02:17




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Mike in Ind., 09-07-2005 18:51:38  
Walmart sells 1 gallon jugs of shell rottela 30wt this is the best stuff you probley dump in the tractor that walmart sells.



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sammy the RED

09-07-2005 21:36:47




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Mike in Ind., 09-07-2005 18:51:38  
Auto Zone.



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old

09-07-2005 19:45:54




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Mike in Ind., 09-07-2005 18:51:38  
Think about it HD is what your looking for. HD stand for high detergent. But I will not use wally world oil. I get and only use valvoline raceing oil in all my engines. And I have them from 1935 to 1995 and all of them have the same type oil in them.



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jwm

09-08-2005 18:26:48




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 Re: oil problems in reply to old, 09-07-2005 19:45:54  
Whether you like WallyWorld or not keep shopping there. It"s making me rich. James



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Don L C

09-08-2005 10:49:01




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 Re: oil problems in reply to old, 09-07-2005 19:45:54  
Old ---

You may not be doing your tractor engines a favor by using raceing oil..... .Raceing oil is just that, oil ment to last about three miles at 10,000 RPM..... Oil formulated for raceing, is short lived and no foaming at high RPM..... .usualy a tractor just needs good lubrication..... .hope this helps, Ihave been building high performance engines & racing for the past 30 years

Don S.W. Ohio

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old

09-08-2005 12:42:01




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Don L C, 09-08-2005 10:49:01  
Valvoline racing oi meet all the SAE and AP etc codes. And you buy it over the counter at auto parts stores etc. Plus been useing it in all my cars trucks and tractors for 30 plus years and have never had any problems. As a matter of fact every engine I have opened up had little to no ridge at the top of the cylinder and the engine show littl to no wear.



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Bob

09-07-2005 19:51:24




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 Re: oil problems in reply to old, 09-07-2005 19:45:54  
What are you basing your adamant decision not to use Wallyworld oil upon?

Do you have any good information that it is a bad oil?

That being said, I am not a fan of Wallyworld in general, but I do use some of their oil, as a matter of convenience, and have no complaints about it, so I am just wondering what has set you off against it?



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Mike in Ind.

09-07-2005 20:05:33




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Bob, 09-07-2005 19:51:24  
Well I wanted to find a good oil to use in my older garden tractors. They originaly called for 30 weight so thats what I planned on using. As for the wally world bit, I know for a fact that the "Supertec" oil fiters that wallmart carries are the best fiter I have found for the price. I know this because when I was in an automotive class at a local career center we got every brand of oil filter we could find and cut the end off them and compared the fiters to one another. Out of about 20 different filters the wallmart brand filter was one of the better filters and much better than the fram oil filter that cost twice as much. Even so I like to stick with wix or napa filters beacuse I can get a two quart filters for my truck. I shop a wallmart every week so I'm no insulting them, its just a slang term that slips out now and then.

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dhermesc

09-08-2005 05:15:18




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Mike in Ind., 09-07-2005 20:05:33  
The Walmart Super Tech oil filters are made by Champion Labs, a much better filter then the Fram Duraguards. As for their oil, if it's SAE it can't be to bad.



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old

09-07-2005 20:04:53




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Bob, 09-07-2005 19:51:24  
Well I just don't trust a company brand like wally world. Also found a lot of stuff they sell are seconds so I don't trust a lot of the auto stuff. But is do wear there blue jeans. LOL



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Gene Davis (Ga.)

09-07-2005 19:41:53




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Mike in Ind., 09-07-2005 18:51:38  
The designation HD30 probably means high detergent 30 wt.oil. It may be a very low additive package, but still qualify as a detergent oil. Look for the API symbol on the back of the container. It will be a circle with some letters around the edge. These letters tell you the type and quality of the oil you are buying. If it is for a gasoline engine look at the "S" designation and read it as the further into the alphabet the second letter is, the better grade the oil additive package. Thus a SE oil would be a lesser detergent package than a SG oil. If it is for a diesel engine look at the "C" designation and the same applies for the second letter here also. A designation of a CC oil would be a lesser detergent package than a CD grade oil. It is better to buy oil by looking at these specs and the viscosity index than to worry which brand is better or worse. I seldom look at the brand I look first for the viscosity index number, then I look at the API (American Petrolum Institute) classification designation and I remember also that there aren't that many different refinerys producing oil. Many of the brands are packed for the customer by the same refineries and just labeled differently. Hope this helps you understand it a little bit better. I used this system to run the daily lube truck for a large mining company for a number of years and never had any problems.

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Jay (ND)

09-08-2005 10:28:02




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 09-07-2005 19:41:53  
#30 is available in all major brands - Mobil, Exxon, Chevron, Texaco, etc

API ratings - on gasoline (S) ALL later designations supersede previous ones. So on your motors, they probably call for a #30 SG oil. Todays #30 has a SL (I think that's the latest?) rating and covers your SG and then some. In diesels (C) MOST later designations cover the earlier ones. The major ones to look out for is the 2-cycle diesel oils (CD-II, etc.). Also MOST diesel oils will also cover gas applications. For instance, my TopKick calls for a 10w30 CF-4, but the new standard CI-4 supersedes it, so I use that. I also use that oil in my Honda tiller which calls for 10w30 SG. The oil I use carries a API CI-4/SL rating which makes it perfectly ok to use in gas engines that require that weight. I would prefer to use the diesel grade oils that meet the gas specs if I can in my gas engines as I believe that they are better. I have no proof of this, just my belief.

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James2

09-08-2005 10:51:40




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Jay (ND), 09-08-2005 10:28:02  
You are correct, the diesel oils have more/better anti-wear agents. If gasoline engine oils had similar configuration, it could contaminate or plug the catalytic converter. I use diesel oil in everything but newer cars, unless the converter(s) have been removed.



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Jerry/MT

09-07-2005 20:00:39




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 09-07-2005 19:41:53  
It's nice to hear some logic regarding the selection of motor oils. In my opinion, the viscosity index indicator and API classification are the best indicators of oil suitability. All the rest is marketing.



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marlowe

09-07-2005 19:27:34




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 Re: oil problems in reply to Mike in Ind., 09-07-2005 18:51:38  
our fleet farms have 30 wt. det. oil in 5 gal. pails 21.95 just picked up 10 gal. today for the guy next door. i use 15-40 s3 in all my engines g or d



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