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jacksonburg

08-25-2005 19:33:51




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Who makes the best round balers? what do they cost? Looking to make large tight bales, large windrows, fast as possible. prefer net wrap. all replies appreciated. South western ohio




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R. John Johnson

08-26-2005 11:23:10




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 Re: Round Balers in reply to jacksonburg, 08-25-2005 19:33:51  
I'll throw in my two cents. Get a Roll Belt baler from New Holland. They started at the model 660 and went from there.I have a 664 and love it. Will make nice tight bales, and if the windrow will fit under the tractor the baler can swallow it. Parts have been surprisingly cheap.

John



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graydw1

08-26-2005 10:04:19




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 Re: Round Balers in reply to jacksonburg, 08-25-2005 19:33:51  
John Deere rollers make the best and tightest rolls of all balers and do come with net wrap. I just bought a used Vemeer 505 Super I. 5 X 5 bale, pretty tight but could be better if it had hydraulic belt tensioners. Very happy with it so far. Vemeer invented the hay roller.



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Rod F.

08-26-2005 06:28:47




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 Re: Round Balers in reply to jacksonburg, 08-25-2005 19:33:51  
If you're looking for flat out speed on big rows, with net wrap, then Claas is the way to go. I have an older 44s (4x4), with single twine, and it's put out over 50 bph average in good crop, on big rows, at an average speed of 6mph. 8 is about the maximum speed. Done 10, but it breaks the pickup chain because of overrun. That said, this is a steel roller baler, fixed chamber, and you will see some leaf loss in alfalfa from the tumbling action of the baler. It's also a soft core, but when properly wrapped, the outer shell is quite tight and rain repellent. They are tight and well shaped, but will never have that rock hard look of a belt baler with the tension cranked up.
As far as quality and durability, I would put the Claas ahead of anything else I've seen. The only problems I'v ehad with this one were pickup bearings, and probably 5 broken rollers now, which were the result of stones. When the rollers get dented, they lose their structural integrity, and metal fatigue will get them in a few years. Considering mine has now made over 27000 bales, I don't feel too bad about what's been replaced on it, considering the hard service it's had. If it never picked up a stone, it would have all it's original rollers.
I used the older NH once, and it worked Ok, but it's not near the capacity, and can't be forced much either. Can't say that I've been impressed with any of the older North American built belt balers either.
Cost on mine was about 18000 Cad, in 1988. I think they are in the 50 range today, new. There's so many options today, that thats a rather loaded question..... . For what it's worth...


Rod

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txgrn

08-26-2005 06:48:03




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 Re: Round Balers in reply to Rod F., 08-26-2005 06:28:47  
I'm glad to hear that your baler is not the standard (around here) belt baler. When you said (I think it was you) last week or so that you did 51 rolls in like an hour and a half I couldn't believe it. Never do that with a belter.

I don't feel so bad now.

Mark



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Rod F.

08-26-2005 09:52:18




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 Re: Round Balers in reply to txgrn, 08-26-2005 06:48:03  
Hi Mark, Well, my baler isn't the standard in my area either. Several guys have the old NewHolland 848. It does the job, it's versatile, and it will make a nice bale if the operator is careful, but it doesn't have the capacity. In real terms, my baler makes a bale that weighs between 700-750 # in hay, and probably 1200 in haylage. So, they're ot large bales, but it's still a lot of tonnage in any class.
the other side of that is that everything has to be done right, and work flawlessly. We now use a 14' Kuhn rake that makes a big even row, so that poor old baler is running at it's maximum. It takes more time to tie off than to fill the bale. The best I ever did was 58 bales in 60 minutes, flat. My daily averages have run from the mid 30's to the low 50's per hour, BUT, I'm just a little bit manical about how I do things..... That said, the Claas is still a good baler.

Rod

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old

08-25-2005 21:57:45




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 Re: Round Balers in reply to jacksonburg, 08-25-2005 19:33:51  
I like the older NH balers they make good tight big bales but most are not net wrap.



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