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Steve Schemenau

08-25-2005 18:07:48




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I am about to live the life you see in Green Acres. I am not a farmer....but I would like to farm the land myself. I bought a small 100 acre farm (60 tillable). The ground is flat and sandy loam.
Can anyone give me an education on what size tractor is needed to do Soybeans and Alfalfa?

I was told that I need a tractor that can do a 2 bottom plow. Do I? Does anyone plow anymore?
What size HP is needed for a 2 bottom plow.

I saw a newer NewHolland model 1925 (32HP) for sale. It that large enough?

I live in Northern Indiana.


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John (MO)

08-26-2005 08:56:18




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
Steve, I assume you have an understanding of the economics of farming 100 acres. So unlike many of the others I won't tell you can or can't make money. Besides, you didn't ask that, you ask what size tractor you needed, and about plowing and such. So here is my opinion on those issues. I don't think a 2 plow tractor is quite big enough. I`d suggest something more in the 3 plow range. Around 30 to 50 drawbar horse power. I like the older Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment myself, it's very well made and inexpensive. A lot of other tractors are very well made also, and you can go out and buy your self a brand new John Deere and have it custom painted with flames and sunflowers if you've got that kind of money. What ever brand and age tractor you get you are going to need several pieces of equipment to go with it. You ask about plowing, and yes somepeople still plow. A whole lot depends on they type soil you have and what has been done to it in the last few years. My opinion is, that a plow is just about the least expensive piece of equipment you can buy, so it's a good idea to have one. 3 bottom plows can often be found for $100 and so even if you use it very little, you won't have a lot tied up in it. You will need a disk for field work, something in the 8 to 12 foot range should be fine. You'll need a harrow or drag, and a planter or maybe a drill. Drills are usually a lot more expensive than planters. A small no till unit would be perfect, even if you do till, they still work. But, cost may be an issue on this piece of equipment. For hay, you are going to need to work the ground before planting it just like for the beans, same equipment. Then afterward you will need a mower, a rake and a baler. The baler may be your most expensive piece of equipment. Choose a baler based on your market for the hay. Do the area buyers want big bales or small, round or square? With a 30 to 50 hp tractor you won't be able to handle the biggest of big round balers, so be careful there. For a mower you will want a sickle bar mower or a disk mower, and not a rotary cutter or bush-brush hog type. You may however want one of those for the rest of your land. A 7` or 9` mower for the hay and maybe a 6` brush hog for pasture, road sides and brush. You will at some point want a front end loader. They are so handy to pick up a million different heavy things around a farm. You will also most likely want a rear blade for making ditches, grading your driveway, and or moving snow. You can spend well over $100,000 to get this stuff or you can be very careful and maybe get most of it for less than $20,000. It just depends on now new you want it to be, and or what you can afford to spend on it. Good luck!

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Mr Haney

08-26-2005 07:11:35




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
The tractor you need is a Hoyt-Clagwell



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RickL

08-26-2005 06:18:48




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
forget the 2bottom stuff. price fuel etc you won't make dime on the soybeans. Keee p your money rent it out you will be way ahead,Farming is all I have ever done till 4years ago,such a way to lose money,whether you have 50 acres or 5000 acres. Its tough. Anyway if you want to pursue get you a 5 bottom plow at least cause you can buy them for what the little 2 and 3 units bring in my area. Get Oliver JD IH tractor they will all do it 80hp and above and you will be fine. But for those acres especiall y doing soybeans you need combine etc etc etc. I were you I would get notill drill and one pass it with the beans use round up and your done,but you will still be lucky to break even,even in a good crop year. Alfalfa crops or mixes you can make way more dollars per acre ,but you have to do the marketing of the product,unlike grain crops where you dump it at the elevator and take whatever they give you that day. Don't mean to sound like a grump on your idea but I am just letting you know the real world of it. I have all types of the used equipment available if that would help you out any also. Can get you used, new,antique or the horse drawn stuff if that would help you anyway you decide. Good Luck RickL ps if you do the hay stuff by all means try to do the small squares it is the best way to sell it in my business hands down.

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Mike M

08-26-2005 04:29:33




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
You don't NEED a tractor,you may WANT one though.

Read a recent article about more people going back to using horses. You may want to look into that ?



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Leland

08-26-2005 04:04:37




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
I would find a more modern tractor with power steering live pto hyd outlets and ROPS of all things something like a 165-175 massey d-14 or 15 allis or for baling a 706 IH with a TA would be perfect and these older beasts can be had for less than a newer compact and they will last forever with proper care.



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Tom in TN

08-25-2005 20:42:02




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
Steve,

I heartily agree with all of the advice that you have received from the other posts. I might add that what ever you decide to grow, you must first think of where you're going to sell your crop when you finally have it. Farming is a multi-step process that involves multiple machines. Plowing is the least of your concern. After the ground is plowed it needs to be disked, dragged, planted, fertilized, cultivated, harvested, stored, and hauled before you'll ever see one penny of income. Every one of those steps involves multiple machines. You might be able to hire people to do some of the steps, but you'll probably have to pay them more than you'll realize from the sale of your crop.

Niche marketing is the only way you'll even approach break-even on a small farm and that doesn't include retirement of the capital expenditure that you'll have to get into the business.

Having said all of that, I'm living the "Green Acres" life in Middle Tennessee on 150 acres and I love it.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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Don L C

08-25-2005 19:51:19




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
Steve --- I recomend renting out most of the farm as you learn how.....you could help him and learn at the same time...

My tractors are popular because they look like new and are fun to drive and play with ....I like the Farmall M for its Looks and power -- Plow size 3 -- 14" drag plow like a trailer...The farmall H ...looks kike the M only smaller ...drag plow 2 -- 14'a good handling tractor ...these tractors were used back in the '40's and '50's.....a nice one restored sells in southern Ohio for $2500 to $3500....the drag equipment is cheep, in the $300 range .....great fun.....

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John S-B

08-25-2005 19:38:45




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
Steve are you planning to farm as a side job? There is a great book called "How to make $100,000 farming 25 acres" by Booker T. Whatley that I highley recomend. It covers a lot of basic small farm techniques and specialty crops that pay alot more than typical grain crops. It's not a absolute sure-fire money maker but has some good outside of the box ideas. Why do you want to plant soybeans? I'm not an expert but I don't think you can make enough off of them as a typical grain crop. Unless you are going for roasted soy beans or fresh soy beans to sell to asian food markets 60 acres would probably be to small to bother with.
As far as tractors, 60-80 hp tractors are cheaper than the compact diesels and the implements are inexpensive too. A 2 btm plow will take forever to plow 60 acres, maybe 3 long days to plow it all. take your time and do some good research, lots of info here and plenty of knowledgable people. BTW what part of the country are you in?

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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

08-25-2005 19:03:31




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
Hello Steve,
Welcome to the good life! I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination. Most I know came from trial and errors, this board, or some close family and friends. I am not familiar with the model tractor you listed so I can't comment on it but I can suggest that 32 hp may be a little light to work 60 acres. Keep in mind that a larger tractor will have to work less to get the same job done. If it is not working as hard you should be better off on fuel consumption as well as possible breakdowns. That said consider this. You need to buy as much tractor as you can afford. Where horsepower is concerned more is better. I would much rather hold back on the stick a little and have more to go than running all out. Consider diesel over gas. It has its drawbacks too but if you are going to run this first tractor all the time, gas tractors tend to get a little thirsty. You've been to the pumps. Enough said there. In Wisconsin, we can claim off road gasoline for a tax refund from the state. I also have a local station selling off road diesel at the pump. Over time it has made quite a difference. Look into that. Some options you may want to start with are dual hydraulic outlets, power steering, and live PTO as a minimum. Being new you might want to stick with a wide front for awhile. The narrow fronts are good but the vast majority of tractor accidents happen with narrow front models. At least in my limited exposure. I started running my hay ground with a 31 hp non live PTO, no power steering or hydraulic outlet tractor. Running a baler on a non live PTO was a treat. I should have had stock in John Deere for the shear pins alone, but that's another story. I have since settled on a 92 hp, wide front, dual outlet, live PTO diesel. I can run her all day long half throttle or better depending on what gear and rarely use more than a quarter tank of fuel. In our area they are a little more work in the cold but you won't be doing much in the fields then anyway. Maybe a blade to clear a driveway. There is always an opinion as to which "color" is better but I find being color blind is better. Make sure you have parts or a service house nearby for whatever brand you do go with. There is nothing worse than waiting for a part that you have to drive too far to get. All that said, you have come to the best place for information on almost any type of tractor you can think of. If there isn't a board for your model, someone out here is working on one just the same.Most of these guys around here have forgotten more than I'll ever know. Mark this site in your favoirites because you'll be back again and again. Good luck, God speed and let us know what you get.

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Markuss

08-25-2005 18:47:01




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 Re: Green Acres Help in reply to Steve Schemenauer, 08-25-2005 18:07:48  
Hi, you better give this more thought before you go at 60 acres....you may want to rent some out before you tackle it all yourself....
Maybe try 10 acres for yourself....I think you will get the info on here you need and ALSO think you are in for a surprise! It;s a lot of work!



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