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jmoore

08-25-2005 16:05:09




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Needed a rebuild kit for a simple one barrel carter model wo carb.

Autoparts #1 Duh! I have to have the number off the tag on the carb to order it.

Autoparts #2 Duh, Do you got the number off the tag

Went online and ordered the kit and a water pump repair kit also from a place in Tenn.All i did was look in their catalog and punch in carter 1bb
,model wo-parts are on the way. and so is my moolah-to Tenn.

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RustyFarmall

08-25-2005 21:18:36




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
And when the carb rebuild doesn't work are you going to go on-line and order an aftermarket replacement carb to the tune of $200?



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Redmud

08-25-2005 19:16:19




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
Soon, we will get our parts from China by going online, then them parts guys can't buy gasoline for their cars, and milk for their babies cause they won't have jobs. payback is hill..



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Kevin Bismark

08-27-2005 22:00:48




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to Redmud, 08-25-2005 19:16:19  
Most of them have been coming from China since the early 90's anyway, why be shocked, I had to keep asking for better stuff when I got the new hub/rotors for me truck, they had some china ones for $89.00 that were stamped and some USA ones for $189.00 that were machined, why would anyone put the $89.00 junk on and replace it after a few trips when the others will last at least 4 times as long, same thing with the china $18.00 brake pads, have alway's used the USA ceramic pads and have had them really last a long time. It can be hard to get good parts, why did they allow china to dump this garbage here in the 90's anyway, we should have been putting inport taxes on it at 100%
Kevin

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Johnski

08-25-2005 18:51:30




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
Hope you get your parts okay. Just remember that in addition to the chance of having an equally dim bulb processing your order on the other end now you have to factor in all of the geniuses that are involved in the delivery process. A friend of mine ordered a head gasket from J.C.Whatsisname. It was for an early sixties mopar aluminum slant six and couldn't be had locally. We all got a good laugh when it showed up in the mail neatly folded in half and stuck in a manila envelope along with their newest catalog.

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Glenn F.

08-25-2005 19:28:07




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to Johnski, 08-25-2005 18:51:30  
That is VERY funny! Glenn F.



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frankiee

08-25-2005 18:47:08




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
I think the problem lies in applications.
There are so many.
I don't have any of my manuals here but after going on the net a bit I found that the Carter wo has quite a broad range of applications.
Lets take for an example a 74 Dodge Power Ram with 360cid and 4 wheel as opposed to a 1978 volare taxi with a 225cid in California.
The differences will be in the internal metering to match the vehicle it is being used in.
The intended revs, weight of vehicle, emmision requirements that make and model has to acheive, etc. has to be taken into account then the carb is set up with all the different parts to make that happen. I found a web site you might or might want to look at and I clipped a bit from it.

"The proportions of this mixture are critical and the carburetor’s job is to keep them optimum. To achieve these optimum proportions the orifices or jets in the carburetor are calibrated by the factory"
Link

I personally would not buy a "one fits everything" kit.
Its a pain but I would get the info they need to look in the book and let the factory that made the carb or carb kit decide exactly what kit I need for my specific application.

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Bryan in Iowa

08-26-2005 06:01:37




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to frankiee, 08-25-2005 18:47:08  
I have been in carb rebuilding business for 30 yrs now. I have yet to see a rebuild kit that includes Jets, metering rods air bleeds or anything other than gaskets , o-rings, maybe throttle plate screws , bushings, power valves,or idle mixture needles. Kits are pretty much generic.Most kits are manufactured by "Techlite " if you open box and look on side of white plastic wrapped inner box . Pretty much match up the gaskets , number and location of holes ,etc . Unless you are getting a performance rebuild kit for a holley , rochchester or edlebrock you won' t usually find anythign extra in way of jets etc.

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frankiee

08-26-2005 08:48:32




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 08-26-2005 06:01:37  
What I am saying is that if a person is not an expert then it would be recommended that the information that is asked for is given.
There can be many unknowns when ordering stuff. For instance if I came into your shop and said I want a thermo quad carburetor and you asked me for the engine size and vehicle that it was for and I said that because I once put a thermo quad on and it fit and worked that they are all the same. If I order a rebuild kit for a governor system for an EMD 567 and if they ask me for the numbers that are on the tag then I am going to willingly give it because I do not know the difference. They are the experts and I am quite sure that they are not going to go thru that much data entry if it was not necessary .
I worked at a scrap yard for 7 years in the past and we did sell whole carbs on the “if it fits, it’s the one” basis. We both know that’s wrong. I did have some customers complain when I asked for some info and not to make the customer mad I gave to them what ever would bolt on even if I figured they would lose a lot of fuel economy and drivability.
You are an expert in your field and know what will work and what wont. You likely know the problem described below because you deal with it everyday. But to a person like myself, I recommend that they provide as much information as possible to let the parts person do the best job that they can.

Thank you

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Repair Kits
Generic repair kits can be a problem. As the CJ-3B has one of the smallest engines to use the YF (the YF was used on the Ford 300 CID 6-cylinder,) some kits which may be offered may not have correct gaskets, and especially the correct fuel valve. The fuel valve used for the 938 series carburetors was part number 25-190S with an orifice of 0.076 inch. The more common YF (used on Chevrolet and Ford) used orifices from 0.093 to 0.101 inch. Do the math with the equation for area on these and you can understand why many experience flooding problems

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Stum

08-25-2005 18:10:51




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
I am starting to go online more and more for routine maintenance parts unless it"s an emergency.. It"s just not worth the trouble to go into store like Advance Auto parts,give them the Make,model,Vin number,and list every single option the truck has just to get something simple like a $5.00 radiator cap.Then they want your phone number and address(which I won"t give them)and they still sell you the wrong part.Plus they try to sell you a coolant flush kit,new antifreeze,and all the hoses,because "we` recommend it for the health of your cooling system" Wonder how many suckers fall for that one?

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Mark - IN.

08-25-2005 17:48:03




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
As a kid growing up, I once worked at an auto parts store. I don't remember what it was, but had something to do with the rear axle on a GMC pickup, and I had to go crawl under it and get the number off the tag stuck to the cover on the pumpkin, per the parts manual. Made no sense to me what so ever, because could've looked up a Chevy pickup in the same manual and it was broken down by 1/2, 3/4, or 1 ton using the same axles as the GMCs. Made no sense to me, and being a dumb punk, I lost the arguement to the store manager, and under that customers truck I crawled, then came in and sold them the same part as the GVW Chevy, whatever it was.

Hope the right part shows up in your mailbox, and not some O-ring for a fuel injector.

Mark

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napaguy

08-25-2005 19:39:12




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to Mark - IN., 08-25-2005 17:48:03  
mark, just yesterday i looked up a rear axle bearing for a c1500 chevy truck...v-6, auto.
sure, i figured it was an 8.5 inch ring gear but the bca catalog shows three options for that particular truck. that means any given truck could have any one of the three. jmoore, you sound like the guy who buys a muffler and comes back in and says "why didn't you tell me i needed clamps" or the one who buys a master cylinder and complains later because he had to make a second trip for brake fluid..... .now you know why we ask customers those things. stum, you should get a hygrade carb kit catalog and take a look...i have heard for over 25 years "oh, they're all the same" if the parts guy asks you for things such as a model number he is the bad guy...if he sells you the wrong one then he is a bad guy...sometimes i just don't understand. i welcome your feedback..napaguy

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RN

08-25-2005 22:07:55




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to napaguy, 08-25-2005 19:39:12  
Ring and pinion for chev 1/2 ton tow special 4x4- 4:10 gears to replace high speed economy gears on a bobcat tower for landscaper, about 6000+ lbs towing job. Order as 1/2 ton without checking axle tags, suprise! back gears don't fit. check for 3/4 ton- back fits, front doesn't. Check punkin numbers and double check dealer who wanted $1900.00 instead of $900.00- 1/2 ton 4x4 tow special from factory is 3/4 ton rear axle and basic 1/2 ton front- need to check axles to be sure, 1/2 ton with added tow package at dealer or after sale upgrade is 1/2 ton axles front and rear, not expected to be full time tower. 1 day job after gears arrived turns into a 8 day run for parts, swap parts, wait for other parts to order, chase seals, take up floor space over weekend. Catalog showed gears for 1/2 ton, back page had '*check axle tag to verify' comment. AMC Jeep had some parts changes possible also, Renault for American market different than Mexico or Canada - when they came in for sevice needed to double check tags to get right parts. Mex R12 had R10 engine, Jeeps had Delco or Autolite ignitions, Motorola or Delco alternator- plow and tow packages also had odd parts from factory or dealer installed. Wagoneers could have Buick or AMC engines. This was before possible customer modifications. Fun times then and sometimes the paychecks bounced. 1950's IHC is relatively simple- watch out for Mahindra, M&W parts. RN.

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Mark - IN.

08-26-2005 05:45:51




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to RN, 08-25-2005 22:07:55  
Alright napaguy and RN, if you read my post, I said that I once worked at an auto parts store - I don't anymore, and that may be a very good thing. And I also went on to say that I was a young punk too. Huh? Huh? Huh? Apparently there was a reason the GMCs requested go by tag number, although the Chevys did not, and turns out that I lucked out when the part turned out to be the same, whatever it was, might've been a wheel bearing, I don't recall. As I do recall, was a pickup from the '67 - '72 era though. Loved them, had a '69 K20 with a 292 and Dana 70s front and rear, although understood a 60 front was actually stronger than a 70 front because of the number of splines on the pinion at the yoke.

I took credit where credit was due. Only difference is that now, I'm a much older punk. When I say or do something stupid, I'm right out front with it for the whole world to see. I don't hide being stupid, I share it. LOL.

Mark

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frankiee

08-26-2005 09:47:56




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to Mark - IN., 08-26-2005 05:45:51  
"I don't hide being stupid, I share it. LOL.'
I think you maybe meant to say.....
I don't hide makeing an error, I share it.
And that makes you smart and the rest of us smarter also.
I can only see one side of a cup when I look at it. If I tell you what I see and you tell me what I see we may differ, BUT, we will get a better idea of what the cup looks like if we share our experiences. I like reading long threads about a subject because I mostly allways learn something.
You sound to me like you are the type of person that will listen to anothers opinion and give your opinion on the way you see it. Whats wrong with that?????
I think that is the definition of the word "forum"

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Mark - IN.

08-26-2005 22:35:58




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 Naw, in my case I meant stupid in reply to frankiee, 08-26-2005 09:47:56  
Is why my Mom still maintains that I must've been the milk lady's kid, not hers.

Mark



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Bill in TN

08-25-2005 16:07:45




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to jmoore, 08-25-2005 16:05:09  
Us poor ole dumb country boys sure appreciate your money too! Please send more!



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Harley

08-25-2005 18:31:38




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 Re: I just outsource in reply to Bill in TN, 08-25-2005 16:07:45  
Yep, ifn ya want to raise your blood pressure and test your prozac, just visit your local neighborhood O'Reilly's store. Haven't got enough time to tell you all the horror stories. I ALWAYS look online before going to town. Harley



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