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sammy the RED

08-15-2005 22:55:22

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I'm putting a Ford Ranger on the road.
I will be driveing the F-250 alot less now that the price of gas is on the rise.

What are YOU doing to combat these $#^*(&$#$ gas price's and reduce YOUR useage ?

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Nolan

08-17-2005 05:11:05

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

So how much was the cost of that Ranger? And the annual insurance cost? And maintenance?

Now, how do those costs compare against the gas savings? Are you really saving money by adding another vehicle to the fleet?

Each time I play the numbers, I come up losing if I try to add another vehicle as a commuter car. As much as I want it to work, it just doesn't. As the price of gas keeps rising, it comes closer though.

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Ludwig

08-17-2005 13:45:47

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Nolan, 08-17-2005 05:11:05

I can't see it hardly ever making sense to buy another vehicle to commute in, but replacing one, that can make a whole lot of sense...

Having a motorcycle can be a whole lot of fun too.

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sammy the RED

08-17-2005 06:51:49

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Nolan, 08-17-2005 05:11:05

The Ranger was free. The retired teacher that owned it said it would not run, and wanted it out of her yard. It cost me $45.00 to get runing

The insurance and maintenence is the same as for the Bowtie it replaced.

Yes, I'm saveing gas $$$. The Bowtie got 10 m.p.g., the Ranger gets twice that. Now, you do the math ! ;o]

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Mark - IN.

08-16-2005 20:31:40

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Careful with that logic. My brother has a retired neighbor somewheres around him that downsized from a full sized pickup to a new Chevy S10. Guess figured fixed income, newer, less repairs and stuff. Was ok for awhile, then got a notice from his insurance that his premium skyrocketed. No accidents, moving violations, and no reason. He contacted his insurance company and asked "What the %@#&!", and was told because of their popularity with the youngsters, are now considered a "sports" vehical. He got rid of his reletively new S10 after blowing a gasket, or few. Maybe a Ranger meets that criteria? I don't know, or if even make them anymore.

As for what I'm doing, am considering bottling my farts and mailing them to washington to suppliment my emails, the ones that are gonna get me into trouble one day, so I hear. Those useless caviar eating, dork snorting bast..ds that won't let us drill, force us to import, and then point fingers at the President. Although I will blame much of the border problems on him, and admit to "popular" voting for him, can't blame "mandatory" oil imports on him.

Mark

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sammy the RED

08-16-2005 21:08:10

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Mark - IN., 08-16-2005 20:31:40

The Ranger is replaceing a '81 Bowtie 3/4 ton 3 speed auto with 4:11 gears that I took off the road in January. Same price for insurance.

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NC Wayne

08-16-2005 19:48:29

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I'm not really doing anything different than I've done in the past. I stop at the store on my way home from work instead of making special trips out, if I don't have something specific to eat I wait instead of making a special trip to get it, etc etc. Basically just a common sense approach to not wasting gas that, based on talkin to different store clerks, most of the people moving out into this area have no idea how to do. There is absolutely no way you can get to the area I live, other than by air, that you don't pass at least two grocery stores. Still people complain when they get home and then turn around and go back out to the "Country Store" about 3 miles up the road only to find they have to go another four miles, back to one of the same grocery stores they passed on the way home, to get that one item they absolutely couldn't live without. Man their really gonna be in trouble the end of this month when they close the old place down for good and demolish the building after nearly 50 years of being there..... .Supposidly the crack in the back wall and some other minor problems common to a building that old have made it so "unsafe" that they can no longer operate there, and trying to repair them would make the building have to meet new codes which it'll never do....but that's just another sad story about the loss of the country way of life to "city ways" and new development..... ...

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JWhite

08-16-2005 19:34:08

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I run about 10mph slower now and get an extra mile per gallon. It would cost too much to move closer to work (higher taxes, utilities, and crime there). It's still not feasable to aquire a second vehicle that gets the 'great milage' because of the initial cost of the vehicle and the insurance to keep it. I have already been using generic brands and follow the idea of 'eat cheap and live cheap'.

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wolfman

08-16-2005 16:59:07

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Raking hay with a heavier tractor cause it's diesel. Always raked with a smaller (gas) actually antique tractor. This summer the half dozen gassers just have stayed in the old sheds. I know, I've got to run them some!

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Dave in GA

08-16-2005 14:13:23

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Why all the fuss about the gas prices? According to the old saying, you get what you pay for. Pay a lot for a Mercedes and you get a quality car. Pay a little for a Yugo and you get lesser quality. Here's where I'm leading to. I think the gas prices have gone up because we started getting much higher quality fuel than in the past! I think the Saudi's must have struck a pocket of really top-grade crude. It may be extra black or something. As good merchants, they aren't going to sell it to us at the same price as their regular-grade crude. Shouldn't we be grateful for the opportunity of fueling our precious vehicles with this high quality fuel?

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riverbend

08-16-2005 15:05:44

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Dave in GA, 08-16-2005 14:13:23

I had to laugh when I read your post, I'm sure that's it.

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Jrry

08-16-2005 10:03:47

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I buy at the nearest gas station because if I try looking for it cheaper the price goes up before I get there. Last Friday the price went up at one station twice in one day. Price was $2.25 in the morning, $2.36 on my way to lunch, and $2.45 after lunch.

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Davis In SC

08-16-2005 09:33:33

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I have cut my driving by at least 25%, simply by planning ahead, & doing several errands in a single trip. Unless it is an emergency, most things can wait a day or 2.....

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steve_ne

08-16-2005 07:52:20

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I start crunching the numbers.
Avg person will drive 1200 mile per month Cost of gas 2.70

MPG Gal per month Cost Per month
16 75 202
17 71 192
18 67 181
19 63 170
20 60 162 21 57 154
22 55 148
23 52 140
24 50 135
25 48 130
26 46 124
27 44 119
28 43 116
29 41 111
30 40 108

As I drive Now I get 17 MPG if I drive really good, I can push 20 mpg a saving of 40 dollars a month. OR.... I could trade for more mpg say 17 to 30 mpg I would save 84 dollars a month plus higher car payments,plus higher insurance, plus take it in the shorts on trade in. OR.... buy old and pay cash,no payment ,less insurance.. But how much on repairs? old car still sitting there cost me but can't drive it. I guess I will do like everyone else and just complain about the price and hope that it will go down. You end up saving about the same if the price of gas goes up or if you drive more miles a month the ratio of savings per month is about the same money. Get a bike??? maybe

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BFO

08-16-2005 07:41:10

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

adding another $10/per hour to my mobile rate.

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Mike M

08-16-2005 09:06:28

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to BFO, 08-16-2005 07:41:10

No ,that's not how to play the game ! You tack it on the end of the bill as a fuel surcharge. That makes the blame shift more over to OPEC than you.

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Ludwig

08-16-2005 07:32:33

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I've been driving a diesel Mercedes for 2 years now, gets about 28mpg. It was a $1500 car to get started with. Looking to move up now, got another diesel Mercedes on the line that should get around 40mpg for $3500. My wife drives my Dodge Dakota, 18mpg but she only goes about 5 miles a day.
I also try to take on of the motorcycles on days when its nice. 45mpg is nice and the maintenance is a bit cheaper.

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T_Bone

08-16-2005 13:31:24

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Ludwig, 08-16-2005 07:32:33

Hi Ludwig,

What year and models are you buying for $3.5k ?

And how do you tell from the model numbers which have the diesel?

Any of the models to stay away from?

T_Bone

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Nolan

08-17-2005 05:07:55

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to T_Bone, 08-16-2005 13:31:24

A D at the end of the description tells you it's a diesel. With a claim of 28mpg, I'd hazard a guess that he's got a 190D. They define the word slow. The faster things like an older 300SD (turbocharged, bigger car) only get a scosh over 20 mpg.

Beware the transmission! If there's an achilies heel in Mercedes it's the automatic transmissions. It's not that they are remarkably unreliable, it's that they are incredibly expensive to replace or repair. It's the #1 financial killer of older Mercedes. Many an otherwise fine car is in the junkyard because the transmission died and the owner wasn't willing to shell out the money for a new one.

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Ludwig

08-17-2005 13:40:15

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Nolan, 08-17-2005 05:07:55

240D actually, best tank ever was 32.8mpg.
Looking at a 190D now, figuring on 38-40mpg. 240Ds define slow, 190Ds aren't so bad by comparison.
The transmissions are actually quite rugged and rarely need replacement before 200,000 miles if maintained. The problem is the chuckleheads who haven't maintained them. The manual trans are solid and rarely need replacement period.

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tlak

08-17-2005 03:59:55

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to T_Bone, 08-16-2005 13:31:24

What I've always seen is that they have a "D" in the model for diesel.

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T_Bone

08-17-2005 09:08:41

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to tlak, 08-17-2005 03:59:55

Thanks Nolan & tlak,

I was thinking the D was the key just looking thru the for sale ads.

T_Bone

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big fred

08-16-2005 07:22:53

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Investing in oil companies.

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buickanddeere

08-16-2005 07:09:03

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Live closer to work.

Why the heck people living in the west end work in the east end. And people living in the east end , work in the west end? They say it costs too much to move. B.S. Well how much is that extra 2 hrs a day in the drivers seat worth, an extra tank or two fuel each week. And wearing out that vehicle 3x times faster?

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havvey

08-17-2005 04:40:40

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to buickanddeere, 08-16-2005 07:09:03

buick, i have always agreed with that one. we have people driving over 2 hours to work, i live on the farm. said if i had to do that i would take up truck driving, NOT>

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Matt from CT

08-16-2005 08:20:57

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Easy answer to that... in reply to buickanddeere, 08-16-2005 07:09:03

I commute about 30,000 miles a year. 2,500/month.

Trust me, I'd much rather pay for the gas than the extra mortgage or rents!

Right now, figure about $270 a month in gas.

I pay a $600 mortgage. Market rate apartments in the city I work for in my demographic run about $1200/month. An equivelant house & land within 15 miles of where I work would be about $2000-2500/month...maybe a little less for me due to equity in my current property I could use towards buying a new one. I have co-workers looking at $450,000 houses for goodness sake!

Gas is a lot cheaper than real estate in Southern New England!

(Did buy a used Volvo for $1000 that gets 10mpg more than my truck...may be about a wash by the time taxes, insurance, and repairs are included, but at least it's not as much at the pump!)

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Ludwig

08-16-2005 07:50:02

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to buickanddeere, 08-16-2005 07:09:03

If I took that logic I'd have moved 2x now in 3 years. I'd pay 2x my current rent. If I'd bought a house I'd have taken a HUGE bath twice. Probably have cost me $20,000, I can buy alot of gas for that price.

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buickanddeere

08-16-2005 08:54:14

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Ludwig, 08-16-2005 07:50:02

Most people can hold down a job longer than that.

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tlak

08-17-2005 04:18:19

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to buickanddeere, 08-16-2005 08:54:14

Missing something, who said something about changing jobs?

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tlak

08-17-2005 04:20:47

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to tlak, 08-17-2005 04:18:19

I didn't read far enough down, just a bad joke.

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Easy

08-16-2005 16:33:23

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to buickanddeere, 08-16-2005 08:54:14

Don't make any assumptions on that. Jobs are changing very quickly these days. Easy.

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buickanddeere

08-16-2005 19:27:25

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Easy, 08-16-2005 16:33:23

It was such an obvious invitation to take a shot that I just had to. I worked construction for years and that required travel all over to follow the jobs. Life is better now that I'm six miles from work instead of 40. The fuel tank gets filled every four weeks instead of every 3-1/2 days.

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farmerboybill

08-16-2005 06:49:24

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I'm driving my motorcycle @ 45mpg. Unfortunately, everyone else is pissed about driving a 12 mpg SUV and they take it out on the road. I've had more than one close call of late.

I smile every time I see an H2 sitting next to the pump but cry everytime I fuel up the semi.

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jeff63

08-16-2005 06:17:58

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Park the f-250 crewcab, drive the s-10. Works out for the best because the big truck will last a lot longer. That's something you got to figure in because I'll not have a truck payment book for a long time.

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300Randy

08-16-2005 06:02:54

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Ive been taking my cycle to work more now. 98HD Road King, gets 45 mpg. I'm going to look around for a cheap Toyota or Honda that gets around 35 mpg.

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caseyc

08-16-2005 06:02:16

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

been doing that for years. it's 100 miles a day for my wife and i. we drive one car four days a week. one day she works different hours so we drive seperate. her pontiac grand am gets 30+ consistently. my 3500 diesel gets 16 on average. since i tend to do more running around with all the "farm" stuff i found little S-10 about a month ago. 2wd, manual, v-6, long bed so i can still haul stuff. that little truck is averaging 26mpg. darn nice little truck. hauls more than i thought it would and pulls alot more than i thought it would. i used to use her f-150 at about 18mpg but she didn't like me abusing her baby.

casey

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Gaby

08-16-2005 05:39:02

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Regardless of what you drive try a tankfull at 65 mph and another at 55. I believe we will start to see some states lower the speed limit!

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08-16-2005 06:13:23

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Gaby, 08-16-2005 05:39:02

I have driven cars that get better mileage at 65 than they do at 55. Had a Ford Courier in 1980 that had a 2.3 4cyl and a 4 speed. At 65-70 mph it got 33 mpg, and 55 it got about 17mpg, brother had a 79 Mustang same engine, same result, he got 35 and 25. My P.S. gets the same milage at 55 and at 70. One thing that would help a lot is if they are gonna charge 2.75 for gas, the quality of gas could improve, that would improve mileage more than anything. Back in the 70's you could store gas for at least 6 months, now if it is good for 30 days, it is a miracle.

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wolfman

08-16-2005 16:54:01

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to JT, 08-16-2005 06:13:23

Some good points, JT. Some cars move through the air more smoothly-slippery is the term. Ford, back in the 70's did air tunnel tests and designed some rather slippery cars. I had a 1978 (ugly as aunt pearl) LTD that didn't run right til you hit 65 mph. As boxy as it looked, it was actually quite air dynamic. Above 45 mph you could drive in most rains with wipers off.

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Mike M

08-16-2005 07:51:38

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to JT, 08-16-2005 06:13:23

The gas of the past was definitly different. I just got done resurecting a JD B that a fellow drove it in the barn in the early 70's and it sat there untouched until this year ! I was surprized that while the gas tank still had 2 or 3 gals. still left in it I was able to drain it out didn't smell too bad and tank only had a real light coating of whiteish varnish ? around in it.Same with the carb. I was expecting a real mess in there,but I drained gas out of it and only had slight varnish coating that cleaned up real good in the carb. dip.

That's in comparison to a rototiller engine a lady told me she used every year only in the spring.I worked on it one year it wouldn't start and the carb. was a mess even had green corrosion that had eaten a hole in the brass float.That was alot of damage for only one year ?

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Tim...Ok

08-16-2005 05:22:34

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Haven"t done anything yet,but am looking at a cheap S10 for daily driver and saving the 3500 Dodge Cummins for when I need it instead of everyday driver.. almost 60 miles a day round trip

Tim

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Paul in Mich

08-16-2005 05:19:22

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Reimplementing driving habits that include using some &%#$@(*^ sense. Driving is many times a necessity, but it is also a luxury that most of us abuse on a daily basis, and we abuse it in a very abusive way. We can do better, and when we do, the oil barrons will have to adjust accordingly.

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Mike M

08-16-2005 05:07:35

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I too bought something smaller to drive to work and parked my Ram 2500 just use it when needed. I really don't know how much I am actually saving if any because now I have to pay insurance and plates on another car.

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john in la

08-16-2005 04:57:57

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I asked this same question in a reply to *^%$$^% Gas

I dispatch and haul gas to stores every day and can tell you sales are not off. In fact they are up.

Trading your gas hog car may not be pratical at this time but combining trips to the bank/store/work is.
My mom is the worse at this. She will go to a differant store every day to get just what is on sale at that store. I asked her how much she thought she was saving time she added the gas in.

I replaced both my gas hogs when I got new cars in 2002/2003.

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havvey

08-16-2005 04:43:41

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

stay home more, combine trips. For some the price isn't going to matter, in this area i would say it has at best had a minimal effect on summer just us conservative folks. I think fuel efficient vechiles will come in as people trade in.

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Duane TX

08-16-2005 04:41:14

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Our F350 Diesel has also moved from commuter to farm use only. We cancelled our trip down the Alaskan Highway with out 5th wheel. We haven't used out 5th wheel at all this summer. Now I wish we wouldn't of bought it last year. I bet the RV market is "not doing so good".
I now mow my lawn every other week.

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Rich Iowa

08-16-2005 04:36:17

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

For 2 and half years, I"ve been driving a 91 Dodge Dakota with 4 banger, 5 spd, 2wd. Gets about 24 mpg on average, had a couple tanks allmost 30 mpg. Had a hard time hauling hay with that pickup, bought a 92 Ford F150 last fall for my "heavy" work. It has I6/ 300 engine, auto, 4wd. If I"m easy on it, close to 19 mpg, if I hammer it the worst I"ve seen is 13 mpg.
Even my 4-wheeler gets good mileage. I have a 99 Honda Recon (250cc, 2wd) I can ride that thing all day and not use up the whole full tank.

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Josh H

08-16-2005 04:12:57

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

The old pickup went from the main driver to farm use only last week. I bought an inexpensive car that gets about 30mpg.

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John M

08-16-2005 03:48:42

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

Just worked up a deal with a couple of local restaraunts for their WVO,going biodiesel.

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Easy

08-15-2005 23:40:46

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to sammy the RED, 08-15-2005 22:55:22

I drive 100 miles per day for work. I have bought a small car just for commuting. When gas was 1.50, I was breaking even on the gas savings. I was driving a GMC 3/4 ton 6.0L Great to drive but too thirsty. I sometimes have to come home and get the truck, so I occasionally lose some time, but I am saving quite a bit of gas. I wish GM would come out with a small diesel pickup. I think that would be neat. Easy.

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mike brown

08-16-2005 03:25:48

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Easy, 08-15-2005 23:40:46

I bought a diesel jetta a couple of year ago. If vw had any brains they would make a small pickup for the US market with this engine.
VW makes a three cylinder diesel that is popular in Europe that gets about 70mpg. They don't bring them here because clearing the EPA hurdles is not worth it . Maybe they will try after the new cleaner diesel fuel comes on line.

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VADAVE

08-16-2005 03:22:36

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Re: Less Gas Useage in reply to Easy, 08-15-2005 23:40:46

Have you noticed the price to diesel? Here the car gets about 25 mpg which is high enough to make it unecomical to buy another vehicle. Truck with duramax and one car sit.

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