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Tim Shultz

08-14-2005 18:20:23




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hey ya'll
hope you guys can tell my if this is a good idea..
I am 16.. 17 in jan. and would like to give up the job at the dairy farm for sumpin a little better paying... I think I would like to get a job as a welder... I can weld rather good even if I say so my self. lol
but what can I expect to get payed? I live in north IN. was told I would need a work permit...
what are those all about?... cost anything? I am home schooled. would that matter? also I am self tought would that matter to an employer?
or should I attend a school for welding first?
sorry for the looooo ng post. any help would be great! Tim Shultz

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ChadS

08-15-2005 08:04:55




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Tim, I was in the same situation you were in when I was your age. I was raised on a farm, worked at a farm repair shop, started out sweeping the shop floors, and washing equipment. I also live in northern Indiana, and when I was 17, I got a job at a local place, that welded up trash dumpsters, called Par-Kan in Silver Lake Indiana. I was there for a total of 4 weeks. It was not the most fun job in the world, but, they did give me a chance to do what I could. They showed me some cool stuff along the way, like how to set up a MIG to weld different thickensses of steel, etc etc all the basics, I just could not keep up with the assembly line, where these guys did it so fast, and just trying to learn how things ran. Id look for a small welding shop, or a farm repair shop of any sort, and get your foot inthe door, show them what you can do, maybe take samples of your work in, or ask them to put you to the test. Now days, we have our own shop on the farm where we do CNC work and all sorts of welding, and do a darn good job at it,,, but it took years of looking, and working for expereience to do what I can do today. I dont know where in Northern Indiana your from,, but, I know a few places and people that may get you in the door somewhere,,, Think about this,, you may start out as a welder, and may learn how to set up and run lathes, mills, CNC equipment, and they show you along the way, hands on experience,, most of us around here, went to Daulton Foundry, and worked inthe hollars there, and moved on, but that made good money, that was the only real opportunity inthe area to get a young man in the workforce in the industry. If you live in the warsaw area, or close by, try some of the farm shops, Id bet they need help, and thats a step to git that foot inthe door to where you want to go. I made the mistake of not getting that GED, and that limited me to going to school after, so dont make the mistake I did, and not succeed in your schooling. You may find that you can work a few years, build up your experirence, then go back to school and get your degree, the experience helps you accel in your grades. If I did it the hard way, and did it, but have no degrees to hang on the wall, but Im still proud of what I learned over the years, but still regret advancing in school, where any door can be opened in the right field of experience. JMHO, ChadS

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Employed

08-15-2005 18:55:16




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 Don't ba a Chads, stay in school! in reply to ChadS, 08-15-2005 08:04:55  
Chads is a perfect example of why you should stay in school.



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ChadS

08-16-2005 07:36:21




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 Re: Don't ba a Chads, stay in school! in reply to Employed, 08-15-2005 18:55:16  
Yeah, and your the reason there is a little bell on the back of livestock trailers. Head em up! Move em out! LMAO! ChadS



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North of Linoma Beach

08-15-2005 05:16:39




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
There are lots of "welders", (most farmers qualify for this), but there are very few welders who can meet the certification standards for work on pressure vessels, out of position work, welding on exotic material, etc. I took the opportunity to have an ex-Royal Navy, welding instructor show me a few things and he was willing to teach me a lot more, while I was working in the North Sea, but over the years I have forgotten most, if not all, of it. This is why I am a great believer in stick welding. If it works in the oilfield, and heavy duty fabrication, it will work for me. (I spend a lot of money on overkill, but this do-it yourself, consumer grade, and homeowner "quality" junk, is money wasted). The only downside is, that when the boom ends, there are a lot of good welders looking for work. But to be fair, I have seen a lot of third country nationals welding that have learned their trade by experience

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BFO

08-15-2005 04:22:48




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Anyone can weld, but not everyone can certify. And even then welders are a dime a dozen. If you want to make some money and have a bit of job security (if there is such a thing anymore) take a fitter/welder apprenticeship. Good fitters are few and far between.



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Mudfoot

08-14-2005 20:35:35




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Tim,

I am a welder in Oklahoma, I attended welding school, I also quit regular school in the 8th grade and am functionally illiterate. My wife is writing this for me. I have been welding for 30 years, I have made as little as 3.75 up to 100.00 an hour. Welding is a skill and an honest trade, but it is very hard on your health. I am 48 years old and have buried several friends because of welding smoke inhalation. Think long and hard about using your back instead of your brain to make a living. You need to open a box of welding rods 7018"s and read the warning leaflet inside the box. Then decide if welding is a good career for you.

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DL

08-14-2005 19:59:40




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Hey Tim,
I'd have to agree with all the rest... you'll need an education AND certification to make the big bucks. Around here (mountain west) we're in the middle of an energy boom... 'bout every morning I see around 50 or so weldin' rigs headed out (owner/operators) Those guys are knockin' down somewhere around 50 bucks an hour (for themselves AND their rigs)... but the competition is tough. They've all probably been burnin rod for 20 to 30 years... and they still have to hustle to get the good jobs! Not trying to discourage you, but the one post was correct... If all you plan to do is burn a little rod... be prepared to make just over minimum wage! (ask me how I know... been there/done that!)
HTH, Regards, DL

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Coldiron

08-14-2005 19:48:13




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Tim, When you pick a school for learning to weld, pick one that teaches for certification and not just a certificate of learning. The process will teach you blueprints, setups, procedures of welding and how to follow the listed procedures for different material and alloys. When you finish that and sit for your certification you will be ready to do it and go out and find a good job at the end of it. Work safely so that you can enjoy a healthy retirement in your future.

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old

08-14-2005 19:30:21




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Unless you fall in to the right job welders only make a little over min. wage in my area. To make the big bucks you need to go to a good school and learn it all and then the top pay is out of the USA, pipe line etc. and the way things are going that could be hard on the health. Don't get me wrong its a good job. I did it for years but you need to be the top of the best to make the big bucks doing it.

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old

08-14-2005 19:28:57




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Unless you fall in to the right job welders only make a little over min. wage in my area. To make the big bucks you need to go to a good school and learn it all and then the top pay is out of the USA, pipe line etc. and the way things are going that could be hard on the health



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BobMo

08-14-2005 19:25:44




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
For Tim & Chris S...
MarkB & Marlowe are both correct. Manufactures in this area screaming for certified welders. Unfortunately it appears from these posts neither of these boys will qualify without some additional education. Then maybe you can get into a qualified welding school.
Welding now days can be very intricate (if you want to make good money). If you just want to be a rod burner get in the longer line. Good luck to both but I have some reservations.

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upred

08-14-2005 19:17:21




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
get certified, just because you can weld or lay abead down isn't being a welder. What type of welding can you do? overhead, vertical up, vertical down, wire feed, core wire, mig, tig, dc stick is different than ac stick, what type of rod or wire is correct for proper penetration. Dad worked as a welding forman for years and was always getting guys in that could "weld". But the majority couldn't pass the basic test, like setting up the machine properly.
I'm not trying to be critical, but just want to point out somethings that employers might be looking for. Get certified is the best advise, that way you will understand the theory as well as the practical parts of welding, and some print reading experience.

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MrNC

08-14-2005 21:11:13




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to upred, 08-14-2005 19:17:21  
I agree with upred and the rest. Welding isnt just something you can jump into and expect to make a ton of money with minimal training. In my area ethanol plants are and have been the big thing for quite some time. The nice paychecks draw people from all around. Many of these people are turned away because of lack of formal training. Just because somebody can weld with a wire-feed or stick welder in flat position doesnt mean they can weld. Dont get me wrong, because I am not trying to discourage you from welding, I am trying to Encourage you to seek proper training. Another word of wisdom, dont go into the welding classroom thinking you know everything there is to know and are just looking for a certificate. I've watched too many prospective welders leave the trade because they were too proud to learn a few things. Best of luck to you, as it wasnt too many years ago that I was in your shoes wanting to weld right out of highschool.

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MarkB_MI

08-14-2005 18:54:55




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
Step 1. If you don't have a diploma, get a high school diploma or GED. This is the price of admission for just about any decent job, school or apprenticeship program.

Step 2. If you still want to be a welder after you finish step 1, then figure out a way to get certified. (Not that there's anything wrong with being a welder, but you might change your mind.) This might be a local community college, a union apprenticeship program, or an employer who promises to train you AND get you certified.

Yes, it does matter to a prospective employer that you were home schooled, and whether you have formal training. Proper credentials open a lot of doors. It sounds like you're a hard worker, and that should impress an employer. Good luck.

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marlowe

08-14-2005 18:50:12




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to Tim Shultz, 08-14-2005 18:20:23  
go to trade school and learn to weld any one can weld but NOT every one can weld. what you call good i bet would not pass any test. there is a lot more then laying a bead. what is the strength of a 6018 or 6013 you better know . i by far am no welder but i can weld but in a real weld shop it would not get past the front door. and if you say you can weld and use a wire feed then for sure you need to go to school. good luck but GET some real schooling on welding

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txgrn

08-14-2005 21:31:32




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to marlowe, 08-14-2005 18:50:12  
Also if you want to weld and make the most money you will be welding on something that requires you to be a "certified" welder. That's a way of telling those who need to know that you know what you are doing, and can do what you know.

To get certified you need to do things like know your business and do your business and show the guy issuing the certification. Trade school sounds like a wise investment.

Mark

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chris sweetland

08-14-2005 19:03:41




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to marlowe, 08-14-2005 18:50:12  
i know a lot of welders that are out jobs right now it seams that there isnt enough work for welders if you were just gonna run a back yard shop go for it but i se more and more machines that employers olny have to buy once taking all the industral welding jobs



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mike brown

08-15-2005 03:36:18




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 Re: pay check of a welder... in reply to chris sweetland, 08-14-2005 19:03:41  
1. Get a GED.
2. Check out the military and see what they have to offer. Navy and AF have lots of technical specialties and not being shot at.



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