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GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES

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Joe in MN

08-13-2005 14:16:55




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HERE IN MINNESOTA, WE SOON WILL HAVE E10 GAS, (10%ETHANOL) AND WILL BE GOING TO E20 -- 20% ETHANOL IN A YEAR OR SO, DOES ANYONE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO AN OLE TRACTOR ENGINE, OR FOR THAT MATTER, A CAR OR TRUCK. SURE DON'T WANT TO DAMAGE A ENGINE WITH ETHANAOL GAS....YOUR ADVISE IS APPRECIATED.




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Leroy

08-14-2005 08:55:46




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 Re: GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES in reply to Joe in MN, 08-13-2005 14:16:55  
Here in Ohio all you can buy is 10% ethanol in all grades for years, never any problem with it. One ethanol plant just wating for the final permit to start building (15 mile from home, north) anouther just anounst plans this week (25 mile from home, west)



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JMS/MN

08-13-2005 23:25:27




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 Re: GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES in reply to Joe in MN, 08-13-2005 14:16:55  
We've had 10% ethanol for many years in Minnesota. We have almost two dozen farmer-owned co-ops manufacturing ethanol in Minnesota. Complaints about fuel filter clogging go back about two decades, when methanol (gasohol) got a bad rap because it cleaned out the gunk in gas tanks and clogged filters. Ethanol is not the same product. Gas with ethanol does not require use of a de-icer in winter because ethanol absorbs water and keeps fuel lines clear. Complaints about ethanol requiring more energy to produce it than what is in the final product are simply BS- bad science from people paid by oil companies to produce research favorable to them. E-85 vehicles are identified as such to use fuel that is 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline. If you aren't driving an E-85 vehicle, you should not use that fuel. There is no shortage of ignorance about alternative fuels- especially about ethanol produced from US sources.

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RN

08-13-2005 17:04:06




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 Re: GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES in reply to Joe in MN, 08-13-2005 14:16:55  
Had a bit of driving test truck for Cenex 10% mix 1979 - chev c20 about 5 years old. Fuel filter clogging was what I was warned about. Holley single barrel carb on AMC, Ford, Dodge 6s had accelerator pump diaphram eaten by ethanol, cause stalling at sometime critical times- light changes- and some crashes happened. Early 80s Ford fuel injector seals also eaten, later ones were made with ethanol fuels expected- OK. Nissan 82-84 fuel injector castings leaked after long exposure to ethanol, EPA tried to make Nissan replace as mfg fault, lost as design met expect fuel use at time. I believe it was noted that zinc content of metal was reduced to be ethanol resistant. BMW motorcycle rally had warnings about CV carb diaphrams leaking- I had to replace mine on /5. Tractor shops in green county, wi had bulletins about check fuel filter clogs, fuel tank screens partial blockages, minor seal leaks, note on some carberator floats that were suseptable to being eaten by ethanol. New equipment now made to run on ethanol blends, most old ones that could be affected are known and a fix is available- you decided if it's worth it,$19.95 holley diaphram kit for single barrel carb on old 6 cylinder work beater is one thing, $78.00 a piece for a fuel injector x4 or 6 or 8 (Ford 302) on 20 year old car is another. . RN

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K.B.-826

08-13-2005 15:39:48




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 Re: GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES in reply to Joe in MN, 08-13-2005 14:16:55  
The 10% should be fine, 20% is probably alright, but E85 will eat the rubber parts of a fuel system. That"s not such a disaster in an old tractor, couple new fuel line packings and a carb rebuild and it"s back up and running, but think what a nightmare that would be to fix on a modern car.



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BobMo

08-13-2005 14:30:53




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 Re: GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES in reply to Joe in MN, 08-13-2005 14:16:55  
We've been using it for years here in Missouri and I can't tell the difference. E10 is rated 89 oct. so is sold as premium at some outlets. Right now premium (E10)sells for the same to 4 cents less than reg. unleaded. Some mechanics say over time it will soften some types of rubber or syn. rubber seats and seals. I haven't seen any evidence of it.
If you had to change anything they would have told you and it won't hurt your tractor, it may in fact make it run better and it helps farmers. There's no rocket science involved here. Good Luck.

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ChrisH(IA)

08-13-2005 18:42:32




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 Re: GAS IN TRACTOR ENGINES in reply to BobMo, 08-13-2005 14:30:53  
If your old tractor has cork gaskets or a cork float, the alcohol will eventually dissolve the binder (shellac) that holds that cork together. Also, it isn't that alcohol is corrosive--it's the water it picks up and suspends in the fuel thats corrosive. One more thing if your engine sits over the winter (or summer), the alcohol separates out of the gasoline, going to the bottom and makes spring startup real hard.

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