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rule of thumb for air cleaners...

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PJBROWN

08-10-2005 17:38:55




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How many hours do you guys go before changing your air filters ??? I know in dust you have to do so mre often ,but what's the normal amount of hours?? or is it a yearly thing. I'm good about oil and filters ,but today I was think about air filters.... I can't remember the last time I change one... I have blown then out once or twice.




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Mike M

08-11-2005 05:23:38




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 Re: rule of thumb for air cleaners... in reply to PJBROWN, 08-10-2005 17:38:55  
Some manf. say you can clean the dry paper filters with soap and water and let dry. Be very carefull doing this because after a few times the paper pores open up. I think they recommend only 1 or 2 times cleaning this way then throw them out. I had to overhaul an engine for a guy that cleaned his original filter many many times and it took the valve guides out and worn the upper cyl. walls with only around 2000 hrs.

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fixerupper

08-10-2005 20:52:40




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 Re: rule of thumb for air cleaners... in reply to PJBROWN, 08-10-2005 17:38:55  
Some manufacturers suggest waiting until the warning light or filter indicator are in the red. A few used to make it hard to get at the filter on purpose so it would not be over-serviced. Their reasoning is that cleaning a filter lends a chance of making a hole in the paper. Of course, NEVER clean the inner filter. Replace it instead. Now with combines it's a little different story because they get dirty a lot faster. Sometimes in dry dusty wheat it can be one or two times a day. Seems like after about five cleanings the filter just doesn't let much air through anymore. Then it's replacement time. Jim

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NC Wayne

08-10-2005 19:31:59




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 Re: rule of thumb for air cleaners... in reply to PJBROWN, 08-10-2005 17:38:55  
Like the other posts suggest it all depends on the size of the filter and the conditions you run the machine in. I've seen machines that get used everyday in fairly clean conditions that have the same filter in them that was installed a year or more ago. On the other hand I work on several machines with rock drill attachments and the "needs to be changed" interval on them varies anywhere from a week to a month depending on the type of rock, the wind direction. etc. The only true way to know when it really needs changing is to get a restriction guage and actually use it. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to be visually checked on a regular interval also. These indicators are supposed to stay in the "clogged" position til their reset but it's still possible for it to misread and the filter to get clogged to the point it needs to be changed and collapse the filter/suck past a seal/ or if the filter has been in service for an extended period, the media may simply rot away. In the case of the bad seal or the rotted media the filter would need to be changed but the idicator wouldn't show a thing. With all that said the best rule of thumb is if you even think it needs to be changed change it. You can buy alot of filters for the cost of a rebuild.

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Coloken

08-10-2005 19:25:03




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 whoops... in reply to PJBROWN, 08-10-2005 17:38:55  
Woops, I'm sorry, I read that as clean when you said change. I changed only when the filter was damaged. If carefull, that could be years. Those big filters cost hundreds.



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Coloken

08-10-2005 19:18:59




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 Re: rule of thumb for air cleaners... in reply to PJBROWN, 08-10-2005 17:38:55  
Oh, come on now. that depends on what conditions. Yes, maybe once a year some places. I have sent many days in eastern Colorado doing summer fallow when I could not see the machine following me. Depending on the wind direction. 12 hours would catch a pint of dust. I had to Clean daily. No matter what, I would clean, or at least check at each oil change. Proper cleaning, no blowing holes with an air gun.

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msb

08-10-2005 17:52:41




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 Re: rule of thumb for air cleaners... in reply to PJBROWN, 08-10-2005 17:38:55  
Actually a little dirt in a paper air filter is a good thing.Research proves that a slightly dirty filter does a better job of cleaning than a brand new one.If your engine doesn't have an air restriction indicator,it is a good investment.



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T_Bone

08-11-2005 04:21:13




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 Re: rule of thumb for air cleaners... in reply to msb, 08-10-2005 17:52:41  
Hi PJ,

I got to agree with msb as a pleated filter (the best there is) has it best efficency rating after it traps larger particles on the media surface as that slows down (FPM) the very fine particles so they will get trapped in the filter media and not pass thru the media.

The large particles are the ones you can see on the media surface. The ones that hurt the engine you can't see with the eye.

Only a manometer can tell when it's time to clean/change a filter. The manometer, depending on how it is plumbed, reads the difference in static pressure from the meadia clean side to the media dirty side. When the engine mfg minimum flow rating (CFM) is reached then the filter needs changed/cleaned.

A very simple manometer made for the Ford PSD engine, about $15, works very well, called a filter minder. Very few guys will believe the filter minder as it never moves. Well ya because it isn't time to change the filter as it hasn't reached maximum restriction or what the gauge reads. All they look at is the build-up of dirt on the dirty side and change the "clean" filter.

To install a mechanical Ford filter minder, drill a 3/4" hole in the dirty side (air intake) of the air plenum, install a rubber sealing goment, push in the filter minder gauge. This filter minder also has a N.O. contact switch so when the filter needs changed it closes the switch thus can send a signal to a lite on the dash if you want.

After the dash lite is lit or the mechanical blub moves maximum, you have about 2hrs of engine run time before you need to clean/change the filter.

On the other hand, waiting until engine preformance degrades because of filter plug up, uses a alot of fuel before poor engine preformance is noticed.

So see, a gauge is the only correct way to tell when a filter needs changed or cleaned. As Kenny pointed out, some of the filters cost $100's to replace.

T_Bone

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