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Pete in Cal

08-08-2005 22:09:12




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I need information on the best way to secure a Farmall tractor on a 16' trailer, where to route the chains across the machine, etc. Need to hear from some of you folks with experience in this way. Thanks, Pete




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John S-B

08-09-2005 22:18:02




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
If you have to use chains, you can protect your paint by using sections of old firehose. Cut a section long enough to keep the chains off of the paint. You can probably get some from your local fire dept.



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Leroy

08-11-2005 05:24:53




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to John S-B, 08-09-2005 22:18:02  
If you use straps then you need those protective strips more than changes as any thing the strap will go over will cut that strap. I will not use straps anymore unless it is a garden tractor or as an aditional hold on something with changes. Also in some states the laws will not allow the straps. Also the law actually states that the size of chain you have to yse will at times have the chains weighing more for the chanes than the load does. And I have had the strap without the protective sleeve break just going over the top of a round sprayer tank

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Pete in Cal

08-09-2005 23:57:18




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to John S-B, 08-09-2005 22:18:02  
Thanks for that tip, John. I'll check with the local FD.



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Pete in Cal

08-09-2005 08:41:34




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
Thanks to all you guys who responded. I wasn't aware of the requirement for 4 tie-downs, that probably saved me a citation. For those using flat straps with the ratchets, sounds like it would be easier on the paint job. Where did you find the straps? Thanks T-Bone for the pics of the rub rail & correct/incorrect way to attach. You folks are a wealth of information and I appreciate your help a whole bunch. Thanks, Pete

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Davis In SC

08-09-2005 18:59:20




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-09-2005 08:41:34  
Kinda funny, all the new tie-down rules, but roll-backs put a car on & take off with only the winch cable attached.....



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RustyFarmall

08-09-2005 09:16:47




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-09-2005 08:41:34  
Pete, those ratchet straps are available at most truck stops, but are considerably overpriced. I can provide you with a link to a supplier where you can save some money, but they sell in quantities of 10 only. I have seen them at places such as Wal-Mart, but I am somewhat doubtful as to the quality of those straps. Farm stores also handle them, but again, there is a question of quality. Believe it or not, I have seen them on E-Bay for a price that is less than what I can buy them for, and appear to be of good quality. You want to look for the straps with a flat hook, not the J hook, the J hook will not fit into your stake pockets. If you need the link, send me an e-mail.

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Pete in Calff

08-09-2005 14:05:46




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-09-2005 09:16:47  
Rusty, you've got mail. Pete



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T_Bone

08-09-2005 08:15:07




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
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Hi Pete,

The new 2005 rule says 4 tie downs on each piece of equipment. Great idea.

I use the cross, X, chain attach as that pulls the center of load to both sides thus no side to side movement and then to the front and to the back beyond equipment ends as in a upside down "V" as then no front to back movement.

Also when you hook you chain onto the trailer frame, the chain hook must be inside the rub rail. Some trailers have a rub rail that sticks out about 1-1/2" from the edge of the trailer frame and the hook body must be inside that rub rail. This is to keep from shearing off the hook if you pancake the side of the trailer with another object. The hook also is fed down thru a stake pocket then returned up on the outside to hang on the top of the stake pocket lip.

I like the ratchet style binders the best.

The ratchet style flat belt frame hooks will not fit between the frame and rub rail without a BFH to tweek them. Those end hooks must also be inside the rub rail.

I did pancake my "new" trailer into a concrete road divider on my last trip out that knocked off the flatbelt hooks on two 10k load binders as the hook tip was on the outside of the rub rail. That's why it's important to make sure the smooth rub rail is the last metal on the outside of the trailer frame. I got lucky as the light load they were holding didn't come off the trailer until I could get stopped, about a mile down the road.

T_Bone

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the tractor vet

08-09-2005 14:38:34




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to T_Bone, 08-09-2005 08:15:07  
But ya forgot one teeney tinney littel detail underr the new 2005 load law ya also must have 60% hold back along with the 4 point hook SOOooooo o that means and extra two 5/16 G 70 chains holding back since they now are only good for 4500 lbs. Last year i was haulen new Cat skid steers and we had to have 7 chains on them just to get out the gate at the plant.



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T_Bone

08-10-2005 00:59:41




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to the tractor vet, 08-09-2005 14:38:34  
Hi TV,

You got me on this one as I've never heard of it. 60% Hold back?
Are you saying you also need to chain from front and back center?

I assume the 60% refers to each chain having a load rating of 60% of the equipment weight?

T_Bone



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T_Bone

08-09-2005 08:19:40




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 Re: The Correct Pic in reply to T_Bone, 08-09-2005 08:15:07  
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Why can't I post two pics in the same post? What did I do wrong?

T_Bone



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Bob M

08-09-2005 09:41:32




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 Re: The Correct Pic in reply to T_Bone, 08-09-2005 08:19:40  
Thanks for pointing out up the requirement for a “clean” rub rail when chained down!

I accomplish this with mine with “cheater chains” I made up. They consist of a 3/8” grab hook and a 3/8” slip hook connected by several links of chain.

To use, drop the grab hook end thru a stake pocket and hook it on the bottom edge of either of the narrow sides of the pocket. Then hook the ratchet tie-down hook to the free (slip hook) end of the cheater chain.

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T_Bone

08-09-2005 10:46:39




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 Re: A Small Double Pic in reply to Bob M, 08-09-2005 09:41:32  
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Thanks Bob, that was very easy to do! I changed my orginal pics to much so they shrunk down but I know better now. New camera (last x-mass) so I thought I'd try it out.

If you hook the end on either bottom side of the pocket, then if the binder comes loose the hook will fall off the stake pocket and you have a loose end.

By coming thru to the top of the stake pocket the hook can't come off if the binder gets loose. I do know what your talking about tho on pockets without a spaced rub rail.

Maybe a piece of small channel welded to the outside of the stake pocket or inside the frame rail for the hook to sit verticle would accomplish the same thing.

And I like your idea of cheater chains. That's the first time I've ever hit the side of any trailer and it would have to be the new one. LOL

T_Bone

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Bob M

08-09-2005 11:03:34




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 Re: A Small Double Pic in reply to T_Bone, 08-09-2005 10:46:39  
Hey T-Bone - lookin' good!!

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Thanks for the advice to hook at the TOP of the pocket as in your photo - you can be certain I'll be hooking mine that way from now on!! ...Bob M



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Missouri Boy

08-09-2005 13:43:23




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 Re: A Small Double Pic in reply to Bob M, 08-09-2005 11:03:34  
In the movie "Liar's Moon" the daddy of the leading character got killed when he loosened the binder on a load of pipe and the hook fell down from the bottom of the stake pocket and a load of well casings fell on him. After the movie I started hooking from the top. Also when I worked for a deale we used no binders when hauling only one tractor at a load. We would put a chain from the tractor to the back of the truck bed and tighten the winch to the other end of tractor. Worked fine

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Bob M

08-09-2005 05:19:58




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
I use (3) 10,000 lb ratchet tie-downs, a 3/8” chain and a clevis:

After the tractor is loaded put the clevis on the drawbar. Run the chain from the left rear corner of the trailer, thru the clevis then to the right rear corner.

Next attach one ratchet strap to each front corner of the trailer and to the lower bolster. Tighten these down equally and evenly, drawing the tractor forward slightly until the chain at the rear is good and tight.

Finally run the third ratchet tie-down over the tractor midsection just ahead of the rear tires (thread it over the clutch housing and under the starter). Now tighten it down so the tires show a bit of bulge.

Finally set the brakes and put the gear lever in low or reverse.

When complete the tractor WILL NOT MOVE!

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Tip: I always stop and check the tie-downs after towing a mile or two, and again at 10 miles. Never had to retighten one yet, but I feel better checking.

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fluggie

08-09-2005 04:43:58




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
I like the rear hitch/drawbar and the front axle or spindle. The law (DOT) in most states say 4 chains & binders minimum, and they WILL fine you if you cheat on it. The law is there for a good reason - - safety! Also, use a truck large enough to handle the load. I slid right thru a stop sign with a Super M behind a Dodge Dakota once; not a fun ride!



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Bill46

08-09-2005 04:39:25




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
I got stopped by DOT bringing a 350U from Indiana to Texas. They said they require 4 tie downs. One on each corner. I had 3 straps. They let me go because I had more straps in the truck and put the 4th one on right there.
First time DOT has ever messed with me when towing a trailer.



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Nebraska Cowman

08-09-2005 04:23:38




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
I chain to the drawbar and front axle. Some guys like to bolt hooks to the frame so they can hook without scratching the paint. You will want most of the weight centered over the trailer wheels. If you drive the tractor on and stop with rear wheels even with the trailer tires it will be about right. You can adjust if it don't ride good.Too much weight on the truck and it will beat you too death, too little and it will be all over the road, (maybe off the road)

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Mike (WA)

08-09-2005 07:49:34




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-09-2005 04:23:38  
An easy way to balance the load correctly is to watch the trailer hitch as you drive forward- you want to get enough weight on the hitch so that it causes trailer tongue to go downward an inch or two (experiment to see how much tongue weight your setup needs to ride properly).

As far as number of tie-downs, I've always used one chain at each end- hook one side of trailer, thru a clevis or over the axle, then hook other side of trailer, with one binder, which takes up the slack in the whole chain. Chains are hooked forward and rearward of load so they are pulling against each other. Maybe that's not legal? Seems to the be the way the heavy haulers around here do it.

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Missouri Boy

08-09-2005 02:32:26




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Pete in Cal, 08-08-2005 22:09:12  
The best way to secure any tractor is to have two chains from each of the ends of the tractor to near the end of the trailer. You are actually pulling both ways. You should load the tractor in such a way that the trailer is properly balanced. I usually load by driving the tractor forward. I lock the brakes and leave tractor in gear. Leaving one in gear is debatable but I lean towards the "in gear" camp

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RustyFarmall

08-09-2005 04:26:00




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Missouri Boy, 08-09-2005 02:32:26  
2 chains are not enough, this will only prevent forward and backwards motion. You actually need 4 chains, and 4 load binders, one chain and binder for each of the 4 corners of the tractor.



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Dr.EVIL

08-09-2005 09:07:25




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-09-2005 04:26:00  
He said "Two chains from EACH END" so four total. And two binders is actually enough as long as the chains opposite the binders are tight.



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RustyFarmall

08-09-2005 09:19:08




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 Re: Hauling a Farmall in reply to Dr.EVIL, 08-09-2005 09:07:25  
According to the new DOT rules, 4 chains and 4 binders.



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