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LumbrJakMan

08-05-2005 12:19:21




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OK I need some HELP. I have a set of 3 Point , 2 Bottom John Deere Plows . I will be doing my Very First Land Plowing . I have 8 acres of Land that I will be turning over. Very Nice rolling land with no Major inclines or declines. I have NO IDEA how to set my plows , or what direction to plow in . I can use any and all assistance in this Venture. I will Bush Hog the field , and then begin the Plowing. The 8 acres was left idle for 10 years , I Bush Hogged it 2 Months ago , and its Growing again and we want to Plant Winter Rye, to get it Growing as a Cover Crop, instead of the weeds that are coming up. My tractor is a 2004 New Holland 40 HP 4 Wheel drive . I will Harrow it after its Plowed. I was told to drag a Telephone Pole section behind the Harrows .

Thanks in advance Everyone .

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c hess

08-06-2005 18:48:22




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
National Plowing Matches are on August 30-31 05 at Boone Iowa Attend if you can.



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paul

08-05-2005 23:20:41




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
A plow plows well when it is bright & shiny & very smooth. Any rust or paint & the dirt will stick to it & you will get red with all the words you have to say about 'that' plow..... Damp clay soil is tough with a rusty bottom, and you shouldn't grind the rust off - you leave grind marks that are just as bad. Going through sand or gravel helps, but on 8 acres you probably don't have a choice. Anyhow if the plow doesn't scour (let dirt flow) it might be a rust issue.....

Best bet is to start with a rectangular field & drive down one long side, throwing the dirt to the outer edge of the field. Pick up the plow at the far end, drive across the short end not plowing, put the plow down again, & plow down that long side of the field. Continue in these 'rounds', plowing up one side, back down the other side. This will leave you headlands, or an unplowed strip on each end of the field, plow those last - kinda tougher going but you will get it.

You will also have a furrow, or dip, down the middle of your field where the 2 plow furrows met. Try to keep that shallow. Next year you can start in the middle of the field plowing, and throw the dirt into the middle of the field, ending up done when you get to the 2 sides. That will kinda level out the dip & the bumps you create with the first year of plowing. Always alternate from year to year.

To set the plow, the first round you make with the plow level. The first round is always difficult, it gets easier.... If the plowing is poor, sometimes that's just how the first round goes. Once you have a furrow to follow it gets easier.

You need to move the plow frame - or your tractor wheels - to make it line up so with your tractor wheels in the furrow, the first bottom is cutting a full width, but not more or less than that.

Also you need to move the right side of the plow up about 6 inches (or however deep your furrow is) so with the tractor at an angle, the plow is still level.

You need to adjust the top link so the front & rear bottoms both plow the same depth. A little adjustment can make a big difference. Also any of the three adjustments I mentioned can affect the others.... This all sounds more difficult that it actually is, but a plowing demo or help from a neighboring old-timer would make this real easy for you to see.

Wet ground will stick to your plow.

Dry ground will want to break into basketball size chunks, and the plow will not want to go into the ground at all.

Ditto for compacted ground - chunks, hard pulling, plow won't go down into the ground.

Heavy long stemmed trash will want to plug up the plow.

Don't know I would bother mowing ahead of the plow, see if the plow handles it as is. If you have a lot of peranual weeds - like Canadian thistle or the like - you might want to spray glysophate (Roundup, etc.) _at least_ 7 days before you plow & that will soak into the roots of these difficult weeds & make them far less of a problem.

If you wish to get a hay crop, the mowing & seeding in very early spring (frost seeding) with no real tillage is an easier way to go if the ground is quite level - no gopher mounds etc.

--->Paul

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

08-05-2005 17:32:13




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
G. B. Shaw said that those who can, do, and those who can't, teach, so I'm offering advice about ploughing after completing two small test plots with indifferent success:

1. My uncle told me one thing only: don't plough in high range unless you have knee pads on, because when you hit a rock you'll be wrapped around the steering wheel.

2. Your tractor is probably smarter than you are. If you can find the right setting, it will adjust the height for you.

3. To start, adjust the plough to sit flat on a flat surface. That will work for the first furrow. Next time around you will have to adjust for one wheel down in that trench you cut. Turn that crank on the right-hand 3pt hitch lever so that the plough again sits flat when the right rear tire is in the furrow.

4. If it fouls up, it's a lot easier to pick up and back up and try again right there than to spend hours later wrestling with heavy chunks of sod that won't turn.

5. If you have a disk handy to hide your mistakes as soon as you finish ploughing, nobody will ever know how bad a job you did.

6. I buried about six inches of tough, wet sod this spring in the first garden plot. That mat has held water all summer and the garden has flourished while other neighbourhood plots have shrivelled away. Maybe there is a place for beginner's luck.

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VADAVE

08-05-2005 17:01:56




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
Here's some help.
If you bought the plows used it is probably already set so it pulls behind he tractor right, otherwise you need to set it so the front plow share and mold board end just inside the rear tire--the dirt will be turned over onto the tire track.
After you make the first pass come back and set the rear tire into that furrow the moldboard opened with the plows in the ground, now set the plow beam (all the bottoms are attached to this) level by adjusting one of the 3 pt arms up or down, generally up from normal.
You will want to set your depth stop to either what depth you want or what the tractor will pull--usually 4 to 6 inchs. For speed you want the soil to flow over the moldboard and lay out smoothly, if it is just coming up on edge your too slow, if it is way beyond the tractor your too fast. Also check the soil moisture--squeese a fist full of dirt and then if it just crumbles with a touch it is right. Too wet will leave clods and stand on edge, too dry leaves dust and is hard to get the plows into the ground.
One more thing you will either plow from the field edges to the center or from the center out center out and you will basicly be making circles. When you are done there will be a furrow to fill with the disc.
Good luck.

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JMS/MN

08-05-2005 16:21:17




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
Many threshing shows around the country in the next three months. Many have plowing demos- and the plowmen enjoy answering questions- that's why they demo.



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John S-B

08-05-2005 14:28:31




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
Hey Jak, what are you going to do with the land? If you are just getting rid of the weeds for pasture or something you can just keep mowing. My "meadow was '4-'6 high with honeysuckle and all kinds of briars and crap. I just started mowing and just broadcast turf fescue (did'nt even disk) and after about 2 yrs I had 95% grass. It has about 25% red clover in it now and I bale it for the neighbors horses. 'Course if you just want to play go for it. I just tried to set the plow as even as I could when I first plowed and then made adjusments as I went, you should be able to get the hang of it in the first few rows.

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supergrumpy

08-05-2005 12:57:51




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 Re: Land Plows in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-05-2005 12:19:21  
good luck

if you old moose pasture is anything like mine you will spend lots of time kicking wads of sod out from in-between the shares

good articles in the archives on setting up a plow

when I have to do some more:

spray with good dose of herbicide about 2 weeks before
have the neighbor with that huge dual-wheel international diesel disc with his 18 foot discs
scatter grass seed of choice and disc it in with my puny 6 footer discs to bury seed and level the ruts he left

but thats me

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