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Livestock exhaust technology.

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Old Pokey

08-05-2005 06:19:58




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I would tend to look at this isuue from a slightly different angle. Once all the leagal means of fighting the regs are used up and if the regs are to be enforced, what better people to come up with the technology to meet thse regs than the livestockmen and women themselves. Even the most staunch and deadset old fashioned operator has to admitt a little diversity sometimes is just good for business. Most sates allow manufacture and sales of manufactured goods to the public as lang as something like 80%??? is ag related. So, think about how much cheaper you could produce the equipment to meet these regs than say a person in the highest priced industrial space next to town. Who knows what all else a cattleman or any livestock operator might come up with. Maybe a way to make use of the byproduct, I dont know. But I would try to look at it as oppertunity rather than defeat. In business today, one allmost has to look at things like this with a bit of a smile, otherwise "they" win. Just my 2 cents. Trying to get a smile or two anyway.:-)

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Dick L

08-05-2005 12:10:55




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 Food For Thought in reply to Old Pokey, 08-05-2005 06:19:58  
I have a distant neighbor, about 15 miles from where I live, that manufactures and sells recovery units for recovering hazardous spills of all kinds of liquids. He has a small unit that is in the test stage that collects the methane gas from the ceiling of a cow barn and pipes it to a methane breeder unit that produces methane gas from the manure. The manure then can be bagged and sold oder free. He said that the cost of heating the breeders makes the breeders unprofitable but with his setup the gas collected and separated in the ceiling would be ample to heat the breeders.

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Old Pokey

08-06-2005 04:58:47




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 Re: Food For Thought in reply to Mark - IN., 08-05-2005 22:47:51  
I agree. That is excactly the kind of thinking that'll go places. It may not be efficient enough yet to be profitable, but with some time, who knows what may become of it. Or what other ideas may spring forth from the experimenting.



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Dick2

08-05-2005 07:18:37




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to Old Pokey, 08-05-2005 06:19:58  
If the farmers ever figure out a way to collect that gas and use it to power vehicles, the governmint will want to tax it and the city people will want to buy it for little or nothing.



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RN

08-05-2005 16:00:08




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to Dick2, 08-05-2005 07:18:37  
Check 'methane generators/manure' for existing gas recovery/manure composting systems. Some in wisconsin and Minnesota on large dairy farms, couple others in California were profiled in farm magazine article couple years back. Gas is used to heat water and run tractors. Municipal sewer treatment plant can generate gas to run buses- India -Bombay and New Delhi- got old Chicago buses years back to use on sewer gas. Some covered lagoon systems of Chinese pattern now being used in south on large hog farms, gas is used locally as LP gas supplement- cooking, water heat, some vehicle use as in LP gas bobcat loaders. Madison ,WI landfill and sewer treatment gas recovery is piped to small generators- had a few $100, thousand in budget last year for new generators expected to last 8 to 13 years depending on rebuild. Methods exist to handle methane, the costs and uses vary depending on location. How much do people want to spend? RN.

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john in la

08-05-2005 06:57:42




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to Old Pokey, 08-05-2005 06:19:58  
Well I think that the nation as a whole has created the livestock exhaust problem and now does not know what to do about it so they will just regulate the farmer and make him figure it out.
The nation has insisted on consolidation for years and it is now catching up with us.

Today’s cow exhaust is the same as it was 50 years ago it is just you have to have 1000 exhaust pipes now instead of 100 exhaust pipes to make a profit.

My grandfather's generation had 30 cow dairy barn. Had enough land to grow all his own crops. Milked the cows; pasteurized the milk in-house; and delivered it daily with a horse drawn cart.

My dad's generation had 150 cow dairy barn. Raised most crops but bought some. Sent the milk out via a bulk tanker.

My generation has a 3 to 500 cow dairy barn. We buy most crops but grow our hay. We ship our milk out by the truck load.

My kids generation has 1500 PLUS dairy barn. All crops and hay are grown by others and hauled in. They milk cows and load trucks 24/7.

The sad part is that all 4 generations have their dairy on the same amount of land. Heck they milk more cows today per farm on less acres per farm than my grandfather had.

We have grown in size and specialized in one thing (milking cows) to stay competitive in today’s market. The problem is how do you keep land clean that will support 30 cows when you have 1500+ cows.

No easy answers. We could go back to the 30 cow farm if we could find enough land and people were willing to pay the price for the cost of a family farm. Not likely!
No one wants to live next to a farm with 100’s of cows per acre or have this farm pollute there rivers. But then again they do not want to pay the price to do it right.
Ask a city kid where his milk and meat comes from and he will tell you the store on the corner.
Chocolate milk does come from chocolate cows doesn’t it. :>)

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gorilla

08-05-2005 07:17:21




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to john in la, 08-05-2005 06:57:42  
Well, We have a lot of pollution where I live and it aint cow farts. This is too ridiculous to even justify.



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Roy in UK

08-05-2005 07:20:40




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to gorilla, 08-05-2005 07:17:21  
Here I sit broken hearted, Fined $100 cos my cow..... .....



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Illinois Boy

08-05-2005 08:36:59




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to Roy in UK, 08-05-2005 07:20:40  
I say again - where's PETA when ya' need 'em??



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onefarmer

08-05-2005 10:49:32




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to Illinois Boy, 08-05-2005 08:36:59  
PETA will only be there when we start shooting the cows to meet emissions. Then we will go to jail no matter what. Failed emissions or animal cruelty



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dig

08-05-2005 09:33:48




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to Illinois Boy, 08-05-2005 08:36:59  
You mean the idiots that wanted to put diapers on cows because they're "unsanitary"?



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John S-B

08-05-2005 14:36:21




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to dig, 08-05-2005 09:33:48  
And they complained about all the Pampers and Huggies in land fills... Can you imagine huggies for Cows?



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Old Pokey

08-06-2005 05:01:34




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to John S-B, 08-05-2005 14:36:21  
Can you imagine the apperatus it would take to flip the cow on its back so you could put one on?:-) One would need to own stock in the baby powder company as well.



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Illinois Boy

08-05-2005 11:36:38




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 Re: Livestock exhaust technology. in reply to dig, 08-05-2005 09:33:48  
That's the ones!!
Think about it - the self esteem of these bovines is going to be damaged here - lumping them together with automobiles and jet planes! THAT'S what makes this a cause for the PETA nuts.
I'm curious how someone has determined this alleged "exhaust" problem has originated from cows and not sheep, dogs and cats, or PETA volunteers...



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