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Nebraska Cowman

08-04-2005 18:57:10




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Got to talking with a fellow rancher today. New DEQ rules for feedlots are just as bad as the air quality laws. Look out cows. Anin't nobody gonna eat beef no more. just soy pellets in artificial meat flavors and ready to pop in your mouth! So...His suggestion was for all farmers and ranchers to contact their bank and ask them what they are going to do about it? Cuz if the small farmer and rancher goes under, guess what's going to happen to the small town banks? Ya, my thoughts exactly, and who better to lobby Washington than the Banks? Already we are loosing a bunch of major manufacturing to 3rd world countries because of less strict enviromental laws. Are American farms next?

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Brent VZ

08-05-2005 22:41:01




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-04-2005 18:57:10  
Funny the way this thread has run.

The "problem with capitalism" is that we don"t have it.

Free market capitalism requires a free market for capital.

We aint got one of those. Instead we have debt instruments as legal tender loaned into existence at an interest rate fixed by providing as much credit as necessary at that rate to fix it.(Federal Reserve)

The problem isn"t really environmental regs, wage disparities, or any of that stuff.

The problem, the heart of the problem, is that there"s no mechanism whatsoever in the global monetary and trade system to keep us from running trade deficits so long as the government can keep selling bonds on the global market, and the politicians aint gonna stop selling bonds (which let them spend even more money than they tax) until the people demand it, or nobody wants to buy them.

The reason we"re having trouble exporting as much stuff as we import is that the difference is made up by US dollars, T-bills, stocks and bonds going overseas, the floating exchange rate international monetary system.

Fix that, and everything else fixes itself.

All it would take is a very simple bill that says the dollar does not have to be accepted in payment of debts, that you can in fact write a contract specifying any means of exchange you choose, and the government must live within its means, since they have nothing of value that doesn"t belong to we the people to borrow against.

No more legal tender, whole new world. All of a sudden trade is self balancing, only way to get those foreign goods is to send equal value back.

Then it doesn"t matter how cheap their labor is, or how atrocious their environmental situation. They"ve still gotta buy something from us in order to sell us their stuff.

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dave from MN

08-05-2005 06:00:04




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-04-2005 18:57:10  
If US consumers could/would reduce buying all this foreign made goods, and start buying buying ( yes the higher cost) US built goods there would maybe be some hope. Imagine having factories start back up, because US consumers care about the US economy and if these companies want good US sales, they would have to be making it here in the US, with US produced components. With the the money miser mentallity of us, me included, going for the cheapest appliance made anywhere but the US, to save that $10. I am waiting to see if the Freezer manufacturing plant that was my family for 13 years will continue to stay open because how can they make a profit with the foreign competition, 2000+ great people. They have an excellent product , but it is to easy to run to Walmart and buy that Chinese made brand for next to nothing. I know I am dreaming that this could be accomplished but wouldnt it be nice if we would increase the demand of our own goods first.

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billOH

08-05-2005 06:32:48




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to dave from MN, 08-05-2005 06:00:04  
The only problem, Dave, is that folks shop at Wal-Mart because they have to -- not because they want to. Money is tight, the country is drowning in debt, and nobody here is producing anything anymore. The few pennies one saves at Wal-Mart can sometimes make a big difference.

But I don't blame the president (though he ain't much of a help) nor do I blame any mega-company in particular. The problem is in capitalism itself. There are inherent bugs in its system that we really need to address. We've been going through these artificial boom-and-bust cycles now for 300 years -- you would think someone would come up with a better system for managing production.

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riverbend

08-05-2005 05:59:25




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-04-2005 18:57:10  
We are losing farms and ranches due to a cheap food policy that no one wants to pay for, and the economists idea that 3-5 huge farms in the whole country would be the best way to go (i.e. get big or get out).

The problem is that the state (here in MN anyway) is worried about losing livestock farming so they want to help a few millioniares start up 3000 cow dairies instead of helping the vast majority of farmers who have 60, 80, 100, or 200 cows.

When they get 3000 cows all together, the folks at the MPCA noticed that they eat and **** a lot. In their one size fits all (size nuetral they call it) world, everyone has to follow the same regulations. The guys with 200 cows are not creating the problem, but they have to jump through the same hoops. Just one more way the government helps out the rich and the corporations.

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Easy

08-05-2005 00:25:22




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-04-2005 18:57:10  
I don't know much about feedlots. But I know a little more about maufacturing. I don't see envionmental rules as being a big deal breaker. I even know of some companies producing anti pollution equipment. But the difference in wage levels, living standards, and exchange rates is killing us. A Chinese worker typically works 10 hours per day, 6 days a week. For 40 - 80 dollars a month! I didn't know how we are supposed to compete with Mexican workers making 80 cents per hour, now the Mexicans are complaining about the Chinese having "non existent wages" ( Vincente Fox, El presidente, Mexico ) It looks like a race to the bottom for entire industries.

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Mark - IN.

08-04-2005 21:35:00




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-04-2005 18:57:10  
Excellent Idea. Thanks Nebraska.

Mark



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Davis In SC

08-04-2005 19:10:14




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-04-2005 18:57:10  
In an Ideal world, I will sell you a Soy burger, (Made in China, microwaved here) & you will sell me an insurance policy... There will be no farming or manufacturing, since they pollute the world. We will have all of our forests & streams set aside for Spotted Owls, & Snail Darters (Whatever they are) Gee, ain't it gonna be a perfect world ????? ???



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Easy

08-05-2005 00:34:23




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Davis In SC, 08-04-2005 19:10:14  
Davis, you have some really good postings on here. I thought you would be interested in this:
About a year ago a local paper did a series on the plight of the local tooling industry. Companies have gone out of business right and left. The biggest factor is Chinese competition.
Manufacturers can now send thier data via satillite, and recieve a complete mold, delivered, within 30 days. For less than 30% of the US cost. Who can compete with that? Easy.

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Davis In SC

08-05-2005 06:06:12




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Easy, 08-05-2005 00:34:23  
Easy, you are right on the 30% figure...The bad part is, the Chinese tooling is usually built of substandard material & poor workmanship. I have seen case studies proving the real cost was actually more expensive, considering rework, lost production, etc. Penny wise & Pound foolish....



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brian 1

08-04-2005 20:11:46




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Davis In SC, 08-04-2005 19:10:14  
Someone will sue you over their pacemaker when you use your microwave. :-)



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Dieselrider

08-04-2005 19:26:21




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Davis In SC, 08-04-2005 19:10:14  
How do you suppose we will harvest that soy bean to make that there burger? Maybe they grow right on the plant and you just pick it by hand, won't that be somethin? Then again how do you figure we get them planted? I guess in the perfect world were gonna have you won't have to plant they will just grow all on their own in just the right quantity=ies for everyone. You're right it's gonna be just swell!!!!????Lol.

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Nebraska Cowman

08-05-2005 04:46:07




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Dieselrider, 08-04-2005 19:26:21  
How do you suppose we will harvest that soy bean to make that there burger?
No Dieselrider, we won't. The beans will be grown in Brasil or Argentina. If I were even 10 years younger I would buy realestate there.



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Bob-Wyo

08-04-2005 19:43:44




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Dieselrider, 08-04-2005 19:26:21  
I agree 1000% with you all, Howard over south west of you a guy wanted to start up a feed lot that had been dormant for years and water qualitiy said they couldn't as he had to be I think 2 miles up stream from the city wells, and it may have 5 miles, now being they were unsure whitch way the water flowed it had to be in all directions from the well,s. Now it don't matter there was a feed lot operating there for many years before they closed, he said that part is OK and is past history. go figure.

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paul

08-04-2005 20:09:23




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 Re: Call your Banker in reply to Bob-Wyo, 08-04-2005 19:43:44  
Yea, around here you can't build a feedlot within 2 miles of a city. So a city stopped a hog lot 5 miles from that town from expanding because the city planned on expanding in that direction for 3 miles.

Now, perhaps the town should have been prevented from expanding in that direction????

Hum.

Our processed beans will come from China & South America. We will legislate our farming to off-shore.

--->Paul

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