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Wi Craig

08-01-2005 14:47:55




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I am new to using synthetic oil. Put some in my Ford diesel. Only run this tractor about 30 to 40 hours a year. Would I still have to change it as often as I did with the regular stuff due to age of the oil. Oh, I'm running 5w 50 if that makes a difference. Wi Craig




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Ludwig

08-02-2005 11:26:01




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
Get that crappy not a real synthetic junk out of that engine pronto!
The Castrol "synthetic" is garbage and will break down quickly in a diesel engine.
Now I'm a real proponent of synthetic oil and I run it in nearly everything I own but on this one I'll say don't bother. Use a good quality conventional oil like Delvac or Delo or Rotella and change it once a year and you'll be fine probably forever.

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Brent VZ

08-01-2005 21:17:35




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
True synthetic (Amsoil or mobile 1 and maybe a couple others) have several big advantages in certain situations. It doesn't break down easily, it doesn't contain volatile fractions that cook out and/or cause your seals to swell up and wear faster, it doesn't bond to contaminants, and it maintains a film on engine parts longer than organic does, so if your engines been sitting a while it's easier on the bearings and such.

On the other hand, if you've got an engine with some hours on it using organic, switching to synthetic does little if any good. You may find that after a year of running synthetic all your seals begin to leak badly, and any blowby or dirt infiltration negates its other benefits to a large extent.

The best place to put a little extra money is in good filters. Amsoil makes an excellent filter and mobile 1 filters are also quite good. You'll find any oil stays cleaner longer with either of these filters, if your engine is clean enough that organic breaks down before it gets dirty (which may be tough to tell, may have to try both and see if synthetic looks good longer) then synthetic is probably worthwhile, in a tractor application where there's lots of dirt and maybe not a whole lot of hours between yearly changes there's no point.

In my pickup with Amsoil filters and oil I change once a year, usually 10-15K between changes, and it looks the same coming out as it does going in. I could probably just change filters but I can't bring myself to leave oil in my truck more than a year.

In my old tractor I run organic.

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Ludwig

08-02-2005 11:23:35




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Brent VZ, 08-01-2005 21:17:35  
Brent is your opinion based on things you've acutally seen or stuff you've read?
I put Mobil 1 in my Dodge Dakota that had 100+kmi on it and it started leaking LESS right away. My Mercedes Benz diesel car had 215,000 miles and leaked a little worse but it steadily getting better. Never had any problems with much worse leaking like people have claimed their uncle's kids, grade school teacher's best friend's aunt saw.

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Brent VZ

08-02-2005 12:01:52




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Ludwig, 08-02-2005 11:23:35  
Ludwig,

Yeah, personal experience. Switched to mobile 1 in a Toyota truck with a lot of miles on it, 3 months later rear main was leaking so bad it soaked the clutch, same problem in a high mileage ford my wife had, in that one I used a seal conditioner and it stopped.

It may be they've recognized the problem and gotten the additive package right to correct it now, those events were both 8 years or so ago, but it was a real problem IMO, and I think the reason why is the lack of light chains that react with the seal materials in typical engines.

Could be that some seal types are better than others too.

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buickanddeere

08-01-2005 20:37:13




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
If it isn't Amsoil, Mobile 1 or Royal Purple. It's not a true synthetic and you are wasting money. Better off with Rottela 15W40 mineral oil instead of that Castrol 5W50 "sort of" synthetic. Synthetic is for use where infrequent dry starts are common, extreme cold, extreme heat or extreme pressure.



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dhermesc

08-02-2005 08:50:41




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to buickanddeere, 08-01-2005 20:37:13  
What is the Rottela 5W40 Synthetic? A real synthetic or a blend?

Started using that in my old F150 with a 302 last winter. It had some pretty bad lifter noise at start up that went away after 20 miles of driving.

The sythetic blends (like Castrol)SHOULD be cheaper but they are trying to get away with charging a premium price by riding on Mobile 1's reputation. Went with the Rottela simply because their price was midway between dino and Mobil 1's price and their reputation.

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John M

08-01-2005 18:08:47




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
If youre going to change it once a year anyways,why spend the extra money on synthetic? Since there is only a couple of TRUE synthetics anyway,its not worth the extra money.



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txgrn

08-01-2005 17:39:24




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
Sounds good to me. I have asked myself the same question. 2 reasons to change: 1. Dirty oil and 2. Acid.

Where do you get both? Oil breakdown (but syns don't breakdown very easily)....plus some ingested dirt and some exhaust byproducts that slipping by the rings.

I usually change once per year on slightly used equipment. I don't figure that's too often.

Something interesting is that oils are finally advertising on the container that you REALLY can run your oil more than 3000 miles without changing (Mobil).....geez did they fall out of their high chair? That's been the biggest ripoff of the American consumer since credit cards....course one of my Ford owners manuals said that you could run 7500 miles under certain conditions. So Ala. With new syn oils all this stuff is just that...BS.

My 2c

Mark

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Robert in W. Mi.

08-01-2005 17:29:58




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
The tractors i have that get low hrs., i change the oil once a year, and i change it just before putting them up for winter.

Why put an engine away to sit all winter with used oil in it?????

Robert



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Jay (ND)

08-01-2005 15:34:18




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
Change at least once a year regardless of how many hours you put on.



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Rod M1

08-01-2005 14:53:41




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Wi Craig, 08-01-2005 14:47:55  
I change mine just after winter.



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Ray,IN

08-01-2005 20:14:06




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 Re: Synthetic oil in reply to Rod M1, 08-01-2005 14:53:41  
Before spending your money, check out this thoroughly researched series of articles.



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