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PowhatanPete

07-30-2005 19:10:13




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Buying a new tractor to replace my TO-35. The primary use wil be to mow an 8 acre former hay field. There are a few small hills. I will be using a side discharge 60" (5') finishing mower and/or 60" (5foot) bushhog.

I have a total of 12 acres, about 2 acres are landscaped around the house, the balance is wooded.

I hve the possibility of buying either of two tractors for the same price. One is thirty engine horsepower with 26 PTO horspower but no loader bucket. The other is the same weight, has a loader bucket but is 25 engine horsepower, 20 pto horsepower.

Will the difference in horsepower make a difference in the speed at which I could mow the field?

Will I ever notice teh horse power difference when I am mowing?

Thanks

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Robert in TN

08-01-2005 00:35:42




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
I currently have a 5020 AC which has about 21 PTO HP and it handles a 60" groom mower without a sweat. I do not have a bushhog but I don't think I would run a 5' on it, might be a little too much. I do have a grader blade and several plows that will not stop it. Does anything in the garden and around the 12 acres without a problem. I do wish I had a front end loader, they seem to come in handy. Hope this helps...

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PowhatanPete

07-31-2005 11:56:10




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 Some other thoughts in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
I have the head off the TO-35 presently trying to figure out why it is not running right. I did a partial rebiuld on the transmission last spring, seal some bearings etc.

The engine shows considerable wear and previous work probably a few owners ago. Things like bolts instead of studs. I have never rebuilt an engine before, and am not sure that is what I really want to do. This I just feel like the TO-35 will continue to need more than just maintenance no matter how much I rebiuld it.

And I would not put a loader on a TO-35 as it does not have the hydraulic system to handle the loader the newer loaders have.

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TRC

07-31-2005 12:55:47




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 Re: Some other thoughts in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-31-2005 11:56:10  
The good thing about that 35 is that once/if you do the rebuild work and maintain the tractor, it should last for many more years. Those tractors are designed to handle lots of use and they will withstand a lot.

I think you said your wife had difficulty with the clutch. Does she also have trouble steering the tractor? If she's not comfortable using the tractor, and you want to get one she can use, then I can fully understand wanting to make a switch.

I would recommend getting a tractor with at least equivalent horsepower so that you don't wind up regretting the purchase because you've gotten an underpowered unit. I've found that if you spend a little more time evaluating the purchase and making certain that you get what you want, you have a lot less headaches later on.

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TRC

07-31-2005 10:32:40




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
I have a MF135, same horsepower as your tractor, and I pull a 72" finish mower up some large hills and through some pretty tall and wet grass. Your tractor should handle just about anything you throw at it with a 60" deck, unless the engine isn't putting out maximum power. I personally haven't found anything that I've needed to do on my 10 acres that the 135 won't accomplish, and with power to spare. If the 35 isn't getting the job done now, I agree with some of the other postings who say that less horsepower will be even worse. A 20 PTO HP tractor would be a very noticeable difference. Be sure of what you're doing before trading that 35 because they are really good tractors.

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Mike Van

07-31-2005 10:27:19




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
You can probably run the finish mower with the lower hp, but just as an example, my JD 285 garden tractor has 18 hp, it only weighs 700 lb. Either of these tractors is at the low end of really usable hp. Sometimes we buy stuff, and say "i'm only going to do X with it" Then, other jobs come along, you know how that goes! To buy new, I would get every hp I could afford, I would rather have one just working along steady, rather than giving every thing it has just to mow in first gear.

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supergrumpy

07-31-2005 09:31:41




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
you are asking several questions at once

for bush hogging, unless your land is a lot smoother than mine, ground speed is limited by how bad the tractor is bouncing, my 35 hp tractor handles 60 inch bush hog even in tall wet stuff

I would love a loader but would not like lugging it around for mowing

keep the TO-35 and buy the loader



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Leroy

07-31-2005 09:01:35




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
In one post you talk about a 35 HP tractor, your next post says it doesent have enough power, that tractor is a 3 plow tractor so why are you talking about going down in size to a tractor of the size of a 8N Ford that is a 2 plow tractor of 23 0r 26 HP? With what you are saying you only need to look at tractors of 45 HP or up. Forget the little ones as you will not like them as they will not do your job.

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Nebraska Cowman

07-31-2005 04:16:49




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
whatever you do, within a short time you are going to wish you had the 35 back.



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PowhatanPete

07-31-2005 08:12:04




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-31-2005 04:16:49  
Can you be more specific? The TO-35 is gas and boggs down on each hill and tal grass. I can use the double clutch, my wife is too light. Going from forward to reverse is a relatively slow process versus wathcing my neighbor on his little newer John Deere.



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Davis In SC

07-30-2005 19:46:16




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
Hi Pete, just out of curiosity, what brand of tractors are you considering buying ???



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PowhatanPete

07-31-2005 08:07:51




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to Davis In SC, 07-30-2005 19:46:16  
I am looking at a 300dtc Farmtrac, loaded with features versus a Kioti ck25 which is very car like. But I really don't want to get into a discussion which color is best. Do you like coke or pepsi? Ford or Chevy?

The question to me is the value of the higher horsepower and when will I see the difference?



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Davis In SC

07-31-2005 16:58:41




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-31-2005 08:07:51  
Sorry, my intent was not to start a war, I was just wondering..... .. Oh, I prefer Iced Tea, & Dodge 8^)



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RAW in IA

07-30-2005 19:34:17




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to PowhatanPete, 07-30-2005 19:10:13  
You may notice the difference inheavy grass. Another question arrises though, do you have use for the loader? If so, I don't think the difference would be that great normally. The airport her has an older IH 244 diesel (abt 20 hp) with a 59" woods mower, and under normal mowing it would mow as fast as you wanted to drive.



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PowhatanPete

07-31-2005 08:16:18




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to RAW in IA, 07-30-2005 19:34:17  
The bucket is for general landscaping and maintenance, spreading mulch, carrying top soil to fill in the many holes my dogs dig, cleaning an old trash dump back in the woods from previous owners...

But if I will notice much of difference when mowing, I want the horsepower



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steveormary

07-30-2005 20:23:49




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 Re: Horsepower or Bucket in reply to RAW in IA, 07-30-2005 19:34:17  
We had an F10-Farmhand loader on a TE-20 Ferguson. No shortage of power there. About twenty+ hp.

Of the two Fords we had(a 3 cyl.2000 of about 30hp and an 800 of about 40hp)you could tell the difference on a 5" bushhog in heavy cutting.

steveormary



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