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Brokenwrench

07-25-2005 05:50:00

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I posted a question awhile back on what to sell small squares of grass hay for. 1st cutting I baled about 900 bales, good dry grass/mix hay. I only use about 800 per year. So, I sold about 350 bales, figuring I"d keep the rest of what I need out of the next cutting. Now it starts to get fun. 700 bales came off the last field I baled, 400 of those I kept and stored. Since I"m redoing my barn, I"m storing my hay about 12 miles away. So on saturday (this was about a month ago) I had three loads left to bale. my neighbor seen me coming by with hay and asked if I could sell him a load. It worked out great cause I only had two racks, and i didn"t have to drag one so far to unload it. I"m friends with him so I sold the hay for 1.75 bale. I finished the field on the two racks, brought them home and put them in the shed. I had another guy call, come look at the hay, and decide he wanted it for 2.00 bale. I delivered and stacked it. Now I"m getting calls that the hay is heating and molding.
The wierd part is that the 400 bales I kept were dry the load I sold the neighbor is good and dry. And these were the last loads baled, no rain, warm and windy day. I"m sure this guy wants me to give him some money off on the hay, but my thinking is that I should just go get the hay and give him his money back. I"m convinced there"s nothing wrong with the hay, so I may as well feed it out. Am I thinking right, or what should I do? I hate to go and move the hay again, but it"s almost a matter of pride. Any advice would be great. Thanks Brokenwrench

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thejdman01

07-25-2005 16:17:46

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

guy did that to me once kept saying my hay was rotting away etc etc so i exchanged old ones for new plus. took back 200 "bad ones" gave him 275 good ones "to make it up" well one day the lightbulb came on i baled at that time with orange twine "my bad hay" that he was giving back to me had white twine. guys story changed quck oh i buy hay from many peopl.e i thought the bad hay was yours etc etc i didnt sell anymore to him. some poeple are crooks generally ifind people are good some arent

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Richard D.

07-25-2005 16:01:30

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

Depending on the type of hay, and the region of the country, some people are experiencing the the same problems due to high humidity. If the hay is fairly heavy, even with high heat and wind the hay will sometimes draw and retain moisture from the ground due to the humidity. This would cause the heating and the molding problem. Depending of course what you are feeding it to, mold has little effect on most ruminants. The heat issue could possible cause a fire. As a rule, I let my hay sit in the field at least 3-7 days if I believe there is a problem. As far as refunds, you sold the hay too cheap any way. Square bales where I live are worth any where between $2.50 and $3.00 a bale in the field. Perhaps you should consider selling it by the ton.

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RickL

07-25-2005 15:44:30

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

Go look at it,when dealing with hay and the public you will really get your eyes opened. Tell him to show you the problem and make sure it was yours. Also if you sold it for $2.00 and delivered it aand stacked it he got a steal either way. word of mouth will make or break you. You should be getting at least 2.50 at the field period in my opinion. This does two things in my operation as its what I specialize in. First it takes care of the ones who always find something wrong with it to get it cheap,and it also gets you the one who really want to have good hay or straw period. I have heard it all I feel like. I would buy him out and let him keep the load if its what he says. Funny thing is what I have also learned is when you do this and you go visit sometime you will most always find that he fed the hay anyway with no trouble, or he RESOLD IT!!!!! Just remember him as a seller beware customer. Good Luck, ps,this is just another word of advice,don't be selling to friends at one price and customers to another,I know it seems the nice thing to do but IT WILL COME BACK TO GET YA,like I said before,word of mouth. Same price period. I also had a fellow that sounds just like yours so the next time he wanted a small load cheap,I made him get a wagon somewhere and he had to load it. (He only stacked 50 bales)seen the hay before and after baling. After that one load never had problem again and he is regular all time now.

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Allan in NE

07-25-2005 17:00:01

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to RickL, 07-25-2005 15:44:30

There is an old saying:

Sell what you raise and raise what you sell. In other words, run your own crops thru your own livestock.

Horses. Hurrmph! :>)

Allan

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Dave H (MI)

07-25-2005 12:28:34

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

I had a similar issue last year. Woman bought 200 bales off the field. Couldn't handle the work so she took half that (I don't deliver). Three weeks later I get the call that she wants to bring it all back for refund because it is heating and dusting up on her. I had kept some hay and I had lost about 10% of mine to a strange dusty mold and had reports from others that same had occurred. I told her to keep track of losses and I would refund her bad bales. Only time this ever happened so I was kind of at a loss. She insisted that ALL the hay come back so I put wagons on the field and told her to have at it.
She brought back 20 bales and disappeared. I mailed her a check for 20 bales. I fed out those 20 bales and not a clinker in the bunch. SIX MONTHS later she called and said she had some time and would be bringing the rest of the hay back. I told her the warranty had run out and to find herself a cattle operation and sell them.
Never heard from her again and happy about it. I guess you have to warranty hay if you select it and deliver it but if they come to you and pick their own bales it all depends on how nice you want to be. I usually replace bales at the next cutting for my regulars. They like me and my locally grown hay and we keep it friendly.

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Tom in TN

07-25-2005 12:26:48

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

Broken,

If I were you, I'd go over there with hat in hand and cash in my pocket. I'd apologize to him for causing any problem with his hay and tell him that I value his friendship. (I realize that this guy isn't your close neighbor but you did do business with him.)

I'd give him his money back and tell him to keep the hay with the hope that he'll be able to use some of it.

I remember reading a verse in the Bible some time ago that goes like this: Proverbs 22:1 "A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver or gold."

Your future relationship with this guy and your reputation in the community are worth a whole lot more than any money you may have gotten for a rack full of hay.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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Lou

07-25-2005 10:13:22

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

I guess you gotta check and see for sure, but it sounds like case of Buyers Remorse. Lou

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Mike M

07-25-2005 07:06:50

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

Better go have a look,maybe his roof leaks ? Or he set it on the ground or getting moisture from somewhere ?

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Coloken

07-25-2005 06:15:04

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

Just doesn't sound right. "He looked at the hay". Sounds kind of like a cry baby to me. He sounds like a good friend that I would never deal with--nothing is ever right. I think you called it. You sound to nice to tell him to go jump. Give him his money back and go get the hay. Under no conditions give him a reduction or reduce the price, or trade hay with him. That would be playing his game. Never sell to him again.

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Brokenwrench

07-25-2005 09:52:17

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Coloken, 07-25-2005 06:15:04

You guys are all right on the money. I don't want to make a big issue out of it. If I can just give him his money back and go get the hay, it would be best. I don't think he's confusing my hay with other stuff, he told me he usually buys hay one pickup load at a time. When I unloaded it, there were only about 5 other small squares there. I think that's part of the problem though. He's used to buying a smaller quantity, and I shocked his pocketbook. He had mentioned in passing that his wife wasn't overly thrilled with him buying that much hay. You know how the saying goes "If mama aint happy, aint nobody happy". If that is what's going on I wish, he'd just be honest about it though. Thanks
I'll post an update when I get this resolved. Brokenwrench

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Allan in NE

07-25-2005 06:44:37

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Coloken, 07-25-2005 06:15:04

Yepper,

No use getting into WW III over a couple loads of silly hay.

Although, I can understand the guy's point. I get cranky just drivin' by a field of small square bales. :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

07-25-2005 06:07:40

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 05:50:00

Hey Bud!

You'd better go look at the hay and settle up with this guy one way or another. Have him show you what he is talking about.

What I'd be worrying about more tho, is your own stuff. I've seen hay pop off in January and it always seems to light up at about 3am.

Allan

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Brokenwrench

07-25-2005 06:40:14

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Allan in NE, 07-25-2005 06:07:40

Hey friend,
Ya, initially I was alittle concerned, but the first 100 bales I kept at home to feed up, I havent even had one heavy bale, no sign of heating. The last 350 bales were baled the next afternoon, it was all tipped, and there was no rain or heavy dew. Also, the hay sat in my shed over a week on the racks before I unloaded it. I would think I should have caught something. Plain and simply this stuff was bone dry.
I don't know why theres a problem, so it's kinda frustrating. I will probably be selling more hay in the future, and this guy is known by every horse lover in the area, I don't want to get a bad reputation over this. First I suppose I have to get ahold of him, and see what's going on.
Thanks Brokenwrench

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BobMo

07-25-2005 07:40:53

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 06:40:14

Maybe he just opened a bale where you had a damp slug. I'd sure go bust a couple and take a look. Also take you moisture and temperature probe and get some readings. Hay should heat up some in the bale to cure right but not to the point of molding. Normally as you know you can generally feel this heat when your taking it off the wagon.
Bales that wick up moisture from the ground will mold differently than if baled with to much moisture plus its a different type mold. High moisture when baled will mold from the center out.
Apparently your experience didn't set off any alarms so I'd sure question it.
Good luck

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Allan in NE

07-25-2005 06:48:36

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Brokenwrench, 07-25-2005 06:40:14

Hey! Just had a thought,

Make sure he isn't mixing up your hay (confusing) with someone else's? You stacked it, so you know where it was placed, right?

Allan

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Coloken

07-25-2005 07:19:29

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Allan in NE, 07-25-2005 06:48:36

That's a d---- good point. He needs to go look and see what is going on.

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JIMVA

07-25-2005 08:47:27

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Re: Hay problem, need advice(kinda long post) in reply to Coloken, 07-25-2005 07:19:29

He better take a look. I something similiar to this happen a few years ago. Sold 350 sq bales to a fella. He called me back 3 weeks later, raising hell that it wasnt any good now and wanted all his money back. Went to take a look, with a few with me. It wasnt even the same hay, he now had mixed grass hay, what i sold him was pure orchard grass and timothy. I pointed that out and that the bales were a lot smaller then what i sold him. He stormed outta the barn. Come to find out, he had sold my hay for more then what he paid me and bought cheap hay thinking he had made money.

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