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mrunion

07-21-2005 08:03:22

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This question was inspired by the stump removal question posted a few posts earlier.

Would it not be a little safer when try to pull stumps, bushes, etc. to hook the chain to the front hitch of the tractor and back up? I mean, the wheel direction of a tractor in reverse alread has torque pushing the nose of the tractor down. And *if* the load was of such a nature to cause the REAR END to lift, that would IMMEDIATLY stop the tractor motion as the drive wheels would come up, thus just sliding the tractor back down (unless maybe a 4WD tractor was being used, but still...).

Is my thinking flawed?

Thanx,
Matt

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Burnie

07-22-2005 00:43:10

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

If you are pulling in reverse with a chain hitched to the front, the forces applied make it almost impossible to flip the tractor. That said, the damage you could do to a front end doesn't make it worthwhile. Some tractors have a front hitch point, mainly for reversing 4 wheeled trailers. I have occasionally use this method when doing delicate work such as pulling a cow out of a bog as you can keep watching the cow without turning around.
When you are pulling in the usual way, if the front wheels leave the ground, the drawbar drops and this counteracts the force so the tractor will not backflip. This only applies if you are on firm, flat ground and the chain holds. If something breaks them your day will get all spoilt. If your front wheels leave the ground you should consider it a warning sign.

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Burnie

07-22-2005 00:42:20

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

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Lloyd Llama

07-21-2005 18:42:14

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

That"s what bulldozers are made for - wheel types are lousy stump pullers to begin with. Not to mention dangerous!

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txgrn

07-21-2005 17:32:57

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

No just turn your rear tires around.

Mark

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Matt Smith

07-21-2005 13:37:03

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

One other thing to consider is that gears are cut with a "strong" side and a "weak" side. Guess which side they are designed to run on when the tractor is in a forward gear.

It's also not wise to pull backwards in a 4 wheel drive vehicle while engaged in 4wd or 4low. Many a front differential has been blown up because of the above stated strong side and weak side explanation!

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mike brown

07-21-2005 13:28:10

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

If your tractor wheels ever freeze to the ground reverse is the gear to use for that very reason.

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sawtooth

07-21-2005 13:23:34

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

If you could pull'er back'in up you could easily pull the same load going forward without the front lifting.

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Leland

07-21-2005 13:12:57

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

this is why they build and sell construction equipment for these tough jobs they are built to do the grunt work.

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Tim B from MA

07-21-2005 10:33:54

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

When pulling anything that might get hung up, the chains should be attached to a hitch that is mounted to the back of the tractor below the bottom of the rear axle. This will go a long ways to preventing, or at least slowing down, a nose of a$$ roll.

And better yet, tractors used often for pulling stumps, skidding logs etc. should have a sturdy roll bar.

Lots of discussions about this saftey issue have transpire on this board. Do search if you want to read more.

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paul

07-21-2005 09:07:09

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

1. Kinda hard on the tractor - most do not have a front hitch, not sure what you are wrapping the chain around to tug with.....

2. To pull such things, we generally want more pull power. As you mention, with the tire grips in the wrong direction, & less weight rather than more on the rear wheels, you won't actually be able to pull much of anything. So while safer, it is basiclly pointless to try.....

--->Paul

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mrunion

07-21-2005 09:09:27

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to paul, 07-21-2005 09:07:09

Ah. That all makes sense.

So basically, while it might work for some things (and on some tractors where it can safely be done without damage), it's not optimum to do pulling this way.

Makes perfect sense.

Thanx,
Matt

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Red Dave

07-21-2005 09:01:17

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

Some tractors use the engine block as a part of the frame. Sounds like a good way to break one in half.

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Illinois Boy

07-21-2005 08:20:40

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Re: Question About Pulling Things in reply to mrunion, 07-21-2005 08:03:22

Not really "flawed" except that tractors are designed to pull - from the rear end...
Too much bearing down on the front axles - and well, they will break off. Much more "beef" and iron on the rear end of a tractor... Simply a design thingy...

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