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buickanddeere

07-18-2005 07:33:52




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I couldn't believe my ears. Last Saturday my Father took his chainsaw to my sisters place and they cut up an old knurly twisted black walnut tree for firewood!!! He knew about the task for weeks. He never mentioned it even while we were on the road together for three days last week. All those heavy limbs and trunk full of knots and grain would have made serious $$$ just for blanks to make rifle stocks. Last year he re-sided one end of the old "Bank Barn". Old barn boards are in high demand for wood working, cottages and decorating projects around here. What did he do? Cut them up for firewood. I've suggested maybe Father and my sister should burn money instead to keep warm this coming winter.

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coup

07-19-2005 11:37:45




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
recently sold three walnut logs on ebay for $9.95.



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Midwest redneck

07-19-2005 02:08:08




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
I feel your pain on that walnut tree. But I have a question for you. I have a 80' high hickory right off the driveway, straight as an arrow too. about 18" in diameter. What do you think this is worth? I have maples and a few oaks too?



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Van in AR

07-18-2005 21:01:31




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
I"ve got about 5 ricks of walnut firewood up in my field stacked. Cut several walnuts last year and sold the saleable logs and cut all the tops and junk up into wood. Its not the best wood for a lot of heat, oak and hickory are much better but I just didn"t want to waste it. Quality walnut brings a premium from Midwest Walnut 1914 Tostevin • Council Bluffs, Iowa U.S.A. 51503 • (712) 325-9191
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NC Wayne

07-18-2005 20:56:26




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
We've got a customer in the firewood business. He often gets in butt sections of various types that are in the 2' to 5' diameter range, and sometimes even larger. If it's a clean piece it goes to the veneer mill. On more than one occasion he's gotten $800 plus for one of these logs. There's money to be made in just about anything if you can find a buyer.



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Dug

07-18-2005 19:28:16




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
I have 6 nice walnuts I will be taking out next weekend to get our building site ready for our new home. Any suggestions on getting the logs milled into lumber? I plan to keep it and use it for builtins around the house in a few years. So far haven't been able to find anyone with a portable sawmill. I live 40 miles wet of KC.

Dug



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

07-19-2005 04:21:43




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Dug, 07-18-2005 19:28:16  
Dealing with walnut logs

1. Do not skid the logs unless there is a snow pack under them. The grit is murder on saw teeth, and most small operators do not have a debarker.
Pick the logs up onto a trailer or wagon from where they have landed. They are heavy. A 24" walnut log 16' long will need a strong tractor to lift it. You can roll them up timbers if you have help and are very careful not to get crushed.

2. Do all you can do to reassure the sawyer that he won't hit nails and other metal in the wood. This possibility is a deal-breaker for a circular saw operator, but with a band mill owner a promise to replace damaged bands (about 35 dollars each) will probably suffice. An operator I deal with frequently won't look at a log taken from a cottage lot because of hardware in the wood.

3. Have some help on hand when the sawyer arrives. Regardless of the manufacturer's claims, running a band mill seems to me to be a three-man job.

4. Don't bother with the little stuff. The good wood is in the trunk and large limbs. Smaller branches, I have discovered, produce inferior wood and cost a lot to cut up.

5. Get those wide, clear boards when you can. Cut 1" or 1 1/8, never less than 1". They season well and make terrific furniture and paneling. Of course if you only have a 15" planer an 18" board isn't a lot of use. 2" walnut seasons slowly. 3" and 4" seems to split a lot, making these thicknesses a bad idea, in my opinion.

6. The rule of thumb for seasoning is to air dry for 3 years per inch.

7. Oh, yeah. Don't panic if it seems as though half the log is white, rather than black. The white is a pigment (so's the black) and the difference will even out with drying. When the sun gets on the wood, the dark colour without a stain fades to a nice straw colour, which an occasional inexperienced boat builder has found shocking.

Hope this helps.

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Dug

07-19-2005 19:02:19




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 07-19-2005 04:21:43  
Thanks for the tips, Rod. I was planning on having the logs milled to 3 inch planks, sounds like that would be a mistake. I want to make a large dinning table from this wood and a desk, eventually.

Question on drying, is it necassary to "weight the boards down or stack and strap them to prevent warping? I am planning on putting them in the rafters in the barn to air dry until I get around to using them.

Thanks,

Dug

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Galen Mommens

07-19-2005 04:17:05




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Dug, 07-18-2005 19:28:16  
Might be to far, but there are several in SE Nebraska. The One who has the best price (and does the best work) charges $40 an hour. When the neighbor DID take some Walnut down, he got 12 1x12 x 15', 6 1x6 x 15', and 2 2x6x15' cut out for $20 (took him 1/2 an hour). There is also a sawmill in Table Rock Nebraska that will do it.



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Dug

07-19-2005 19:03:58




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Galen Mommens, 07-19-2005 04:17:05  
Thanks, Galen. That price sounds great but I have no way of transporting them.

Dug



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Kansas

07-19-2005 03:35:58




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Dug, 07-18-2005 19:28:16  
Vic Baldridge, south of Emporia has a band saw mill. I believe he does some custome sawing, you might try and call him. I'll try and find his number today and get back to you.



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Dug

07-19-2005 19:10:51




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Kansas, 07-19-2005 03:35:58  
Hey Kansas,

Just sent you an e-mail with my number and e-mail. If you find Vics info, please send it to me or forward my stuff to him.

Thanks,

Dug



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RayP(MI)

07-18-2005 18:44:30




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Black walnut is a premium wood for furniture making around here - Grand Rapids is one of the major furniture making areas in the country. Hard to find any salable black walnut around here, and if it does surface it brings premium price. firewood? OHMYGOSH!



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Galen

07-18-2005 17:29:46




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
When we lived in Independence MO for awhile - we had a large woodshed full of Oak, Elm, Mulberry and other firewood. Got ready to move so put a pallet load out by the road with a sign "FREE FIREWOOD". Two weeks later it was still there. Did a little experiment. Changed the sign to "FIREWOOD - $25 A PALLET". It was GONE the next day.....



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buckva

07-18-2005 17:22:22




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  

Sorta reminds me of when my Dad had a parcel cut out. Lot of good hardwood in there including some walnut. When the loggers were finished Dad cut firewood an sold it untill he had the parcel cleaned up. Told me that he wished he had sold it all for firewood as he made more on the firewood than he did on the timber.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

07-18-2005 17:19:37




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Black walnut is terrible firewood. It just doesn't burn well. I have piles of it around the fields from twenty years ago. Of course it doesn't rot and it's so toxic weeds won't grow over the pile.

Maybe burls burn better than the straight stuff (grin).



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Mark - IN.

07-18-2005 15:35:36




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Buick, I aint gonna get into the middle of your family squabble, but I'm thinking you're right. Do your father a favor, and hide his saws.

Mark



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John M

07-18-2005 14:59:04




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
For some,keeping warm is more important than money.No money,no heat,.....firewood,heat!



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Rod F.

07-18-2005 14:18:16




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Hmmmmm, methinks your old man and my old man are somehow related..... . Sure you don't have some relatives in Cape Breton?
Kind of been there myself. One of my neighbours that works in the woods a bit cut a large yellow birch tree about a month ago. He was going to send the butt log from this tree to a local mill to be cut into runners for lobster traps. Basically firewood price. Told him he should get the veneer buyer in from Columbia Forest products. That stick suddenly turned into a $380. US log. It was one of only 4 or 5 that buyer has seen in Nova Scotia, at 24" top diameter, 10' long, with mabey 1 defect. That old boy got converted. No more firewood for him. He never used to think it was worth his time to select those sticks. It's made me sick to see some of the wood that some of our cutters have wasted over the years, when you know what a Prime or Select stick is worth. Urrrggggg.
Don't pop a blood vessel..... ...

Rod

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Ludwig

07-19-2005 07:23:12




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Rod F., 07-18-2005 14:18:16  
Dad and I did the land survey for the Houlton, Maine border crossing. Saw alot of trucks loaded down with birch for laminate. We'd been planting spruce mostly on the farm but this year did some birch. Figure my retirement fund about doubles with 25% birch in the mix since laminate trees are worth so much more than pulpwood. We intersperce them in the spruce so the moose don't find 'em so easy.



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2x4

07-18-2005 19:45:29




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Rod F., 07-18-2005 14:18:16  
been listening to some fine fiddling from Cape Breton. CD from Natalie McMasters. Anyone up there listen to her?



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Rick YYC

07-19-2005 06:05:34




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 sure do n/t in reply to 2x4, 07-18-2005 19:45:29  



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SJ

07-18-2005 13:10:08




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Heck I got 2 of em on my place and nobody wants em,say there not tall enough or the first forks too low and all kinds of excuses.I always thought they were worth something too. But nobody round here wants em(cental New York)



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Steve KS

07-18-2005 10:38:10




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Heck, I've got tons of black walnut trees - don't know if they're knurly or not though. Everybody burns the stuff around here! Got a bunch of old barn wood too. Where can I market the stuff?? I have a feeling I'm too far away from there though!



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Galen

07-18-2005 09:15:42




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
Yup - neighbor who cuts firewood to sell found a dead Walnut still in the air. He had cut it into 18" logs and split all but 3 before I found out. Had lots of burl in it. He about cried when I told him what it was worth. He told me he had another right next to where this one was. He's gonna get it this Fall, but not for firewood. I use TONS of Walnut, Cherry and Alder (among others) at my scrollsaw. I told him he BETTER give me some of this tree! 8^)

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Coloken

07-18-2005 08:17:16




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
EEEEE EEEEE E Don't think you should comit him, he is you father. But can you get a gun stock catalog, if Fagen still in business, and give it to him. Last I looked many years ago, good blanks were 100 bucks apiece.



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Van in AR

07-19-2005 10:16:56




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Coloken, 07-18-2005 08:17:16  
Fajen sold out a few years back to I believe Midwest Sporting Goods in KC. I called them trying to sell my Walnut back two years ago and was told all Reignhart Fajen gunstocks in thier catalog are currently made under contract by J M Marlin Co on CNC machines and I would have to call them to try and sell walnut. So much for old world craftmanship!
Van



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Illinois Boy

07-18-2005 07:51:11




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
I read a story sometine ago, about a pioneer family that settled in S. Indiana. The man and his two sons built a cabin out of 18" walnut logs. Indians tried to burn them out, but gave up after a week and left!



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Jimmy King

07-18-2005 09:49:45




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-18-2005 07:51:11  
My Granddad's home was way over 100 years old build out of walnut, walnut siding with no paint on it. In the 70's the coons were starting to take it over, no one was living in it. My Uncle owned the place and had a house next door, so he had a meeting of his bros. and they all elected to tear it down. A friend tore the kitchen off, my BIL tore the rest down and has the lumber stored in his Dads barns. It was quite a house 4, 14 x 28 rooms in the main part,two story a wide hall way 10-12 Ft? in the middle. The kitchen off to the side of the living room about 14 x 20-28?

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RustyFarmall

07-18-2005 07:41:34




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to buickanddeere, 07-18-2005 07:33:52  
I know the feeling. I can't even bring myself to set a match to a pile of wooden shipping crates and pallets out behind my shop, even though I know from experience that the stuff has very little use even for craft projects.



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Galen

07-18-2005 09:20:24




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 Re: OT; Gasp..........knurly old black walnut cut in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-18-2005 07:41:34  
I know lots of guys who use old pallets for crafts! Some of the pallets had Oak, Elm and Maple in them - LOTS are Oak. Agood planer and you're in bidness! Just watch out for nails!



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