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OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!!

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Farmerboybill

07-14-2005 19:47:00




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I ride my bike to work almost every day. At 45 MPG, I can ride the Triumph three times for every once with my old beater F250.

Anyhow, two guys have been killed on bikes within 5 miles of where I work in the last week. One was drunk and stupid, the other got hit by an old farmer that run a stop sign. Another one was killed a mile south of the plant by one of our drivers going home this past April. He said he stopped but didn't see him and pulled out...

So please be careful - as a rider or as a driver.

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Davis In SC

07-15-2005 21:22:23




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
There is a typical profile of the guy that dies on a bike here... 50's or 60 or so...sucessful in business, buys a bike to regain his youth... little or no riding experience.... Goes on a few Saturday Poker Runs, thinks he is invincible... Next thing you see, he is in the obits... I have read several studies that back this up.



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RayP(MI)

07-15-2005 17:53:16




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
While car/truck drivers are surely the cause of many crashes involving motorcycles, more times than not, the cyclist is the culprit. So many times they are driving recklessly, speeding, not driving defensively. Don"t know what brings out the stupidity in cyclists. Been on the road as a driver ed teacher for 32 years, and used to ride bikes, so have lots of experience and observation time!



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riverbend

07-15-2005 21:10:26




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to RayP(MI), 07-15-2005 17:53:16  
Granted, there are plenty of dopey riders, but if I remember correctly, 3/4 of bike accidents involved a car. The most likely crash involving a bike and a car (Hurt Report I think, but might be from MSF course) was a car turning left in front of the bike.

Greg

'70 Commando



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RN

07-15-2005 16:41:13




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
watch for oil slicks, wet patches, runover racoons. Also try to be sober if riding in holiday traffic, a helmet also would have saved me getting a few head stitchs. Crash bars are usefull to reduce leg injuries. Been busy lately, Gold Wing still parked from last fall, 1 ride on 400, resurrecting little moped to carry in 4 wheeler. Still have R69/2 that was in holiday traffic incident- it was a loaner for a month for other riders while shoulder was plastered, couldn't reach throttle. Motorcycle Club=MC=Mostly Crippled. RN.

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dr.sportster

07-15-2005 14:10:25




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
I think of myself as being on a ten speed bicycle except I can get out of the way faster.Every car is out to get you so blast by them all.



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Billy NY

07-15-2005 06:35:31




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
This is a very good point, there is no subsitute for being defensive and evasive of hazards as much as can be done in a given situation, and still it continues to happen with such frequency, that it is alarming to say the least. On Oct. 15 '02 in NC, my uncle slammed into a dumptruck entering the road from a construction site, and was killed immediately. I've been to more funerals and or know people who are deceased from this than I have fingers on my hands, same year, my friend lost his sister, she was an avid rider, + all the scenes I've witnessed, I just can't emphasize how real these kind of accidents are, then there are those who harass bikers when on the road, it's a lot to pay attention to. My preference was to ride on country or less traveled roads, in good condtion, but used to join the traffic when riding to work. Speed is a major factor, been since '93 that both the old 650 Maxims have sat in the dry basement, after a bike related funeral, but I do recall how quickly I could stop from 55 MPH, reaction time is another issue, if you don't see something unfold like stopped traffic, a car door opening, an animal in the road etc., a bike does not offer much forgiveness. You need that reaction time to stay alive, good friend in my high school class did not see the bus in time, I saw him that morning at work, they were working on the new truss shop building at the lumber yard I worked at, nice Sat. morning, good to see someone you had'nt seen in a long time, that afternoon, right after he left, he was gone. I could mention a dozen more, have seen several dead at the scene, one particularly stands out, while on the FDR highway, on the east side of Manhattan, traveling home to Brooklyn, ( was my place during the week, went home to the country where I'm from every weekend back then ) was on my birthday, a guy on a bike slammed into a taxi cab so hard it looked like the cab backed into a utility pole at 60 MPH ! He did not make it.

It's intimidating to get on the road with a bike today, you must be attentive or you become a statistic, it's that simple. I'm not sure how these guys do it in NYC, it's like driving a gauntlet, then they go between cars to get through, one wrong move and your done, really is insane what you see people doing.

Did not make it out of highschool without having an incident, 2 younger kids on a TT 250 Yamaha, coming the opposite way, slammed into my '73 impala at 50-60 MPH, one went 50 feet past the car, the other hit a utility pole in mid-air, saw both of them fly over the hood, when I went to see how they were doing, both were out, appeared dead, both had one leg mangled, and shattered. The one who hit the pole was missing toes. No helmet, no lights, no insurance, no license, no nothing, and I got sued for $3 million dollars at age 17, and you realize they got paid somehow from somewhere 3-4 years later, it was a bad scene, depositions, court appearances, insurance company appointed atty's, it was a mess, I thought my wages were going to be garnished for life over it, but being young you kind of jump to conclusions, still was a real mess on both sides.

No doubt, use care.

PS - been thinkin about firin up one of them maxims, they were fun, damn good runners, although rice burners, I can see why HD was taking a lot of heat in the 70's and almost did not make it, the competition sure gave them trouble then. Now look at them, every store in the country has been enlarged, amazing how things change, friends family has a dealership in town, they certainly have expanded.

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sawtooth

07-15-2005 18:17:57




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Billy NY, 07-15-2005 06:35:31  
I had a Yamaha Maxim for a while and liked it. Liked the swirly mag wheels and especially liked the compact design of the 4 cylinder engine. It was the first driveshaft bike I rode, was surprised the first time getting on the gas how the back end raised up.



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Billy NY

07-15-2005 18:39:04




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to sawtooth, 07-15-2005 18:17:57  
I thought they were pretty decent, you could get 2-4 year old left overs new, so damn cheap in the 80's. Not bad to look at either, nice cruisers, 4cyl. was powerful, and they handled fine with the right tires. Funny thing is they have held their values too. I'd never driven a shaft drive prior to these either, they were great, although the seals can leak from sitting. I had a lot of fun on them, filled a transportation gap when funds were very tight.

Scariest thing I ever encountered was a huge pothole in the middle lane of the highway, just left my girlfriends house to got to work, so I just throttled to the max. as there was no time to get around it, I thought I was done, and ironically enough, I just floated over it like it did not exist, man someone was watchin out for me that morning, no doubt you had better be on your toes, it don't take much.

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brian 1

07-15-2005 05:58:58




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
I ride 17 miles to work pretty much every day there is no snow or ice on the road. Been at it almost 30 years now. Ride very long and you EXPECT the other guy to pull out in front of you. Lots of new riders out there are driving up the statistics.



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JackE

07-15-2005 06:55:27




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to brian 1, 07-15-2005 05:58:58  
Not only do you have to look out for blind/stupid drivers, but you have to watch out for animals, as I painfully experianced a few years back. I was on my way home from work one Dec. night, cruising along about 50 mph. I was taking the back roads home, with the intent of avoiding rush hour traffic on the main highway. As I said, I'm moving along, high beam on, when all of the sudden, I got a big deer right in front of me. I didn't have time to crack the throttle, or even say *hit, and I'm flying, literally. I hit the ground feet first, breaking both legs, then four ribs, plus a cracked sternum as I smashed the rest of the way to the street. I had to crawl out of the street, almost getting run over. The doctors kept telling me how lucky I was, I didn't feel that lucky at the time. It will be 8 yrs. this Dec. that happened. I still have the bike, 74 super glide, I've had the bike now, over 20yrs. i just can't, no matter what the wife says, get rid of it. Bottom line, there is more to watch out for than cars. Jack

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Coloken

07-15-2005 05:37:30




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 petel bikes too in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
That go for the ones you petal too. Lost a good friend under the wheels of a car. An Other good friend took over a year to learn to waik again.



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sawtooth

07-15-2005 05:30:32




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
Right now is an especially dangerous time on country roads- cornfields block your view at intersections, you can't see what may be coming. My first cycle in the mid 1960's- after having a Cushman Eagle- was a TR6 Triump. Not a good thing for a show off kid, but I was lucky. Now that I'm older sometimes I wouldn't mind having the old Cushman instead of the present Virago. Scooters are making a comeback, there's quite a few around town.

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dej(JED)

07-15-2005 04:53:33




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
A lot of auto and truck drivers simply don't seem to mentally recognise motorcycles as vehicles. Every time I see someone getting ready to pull out from a side road, it scares me. On more than one occassion I have had them wait until I was almost at the intersection and then pull out or lurch forward. They think in terms of cars, trucks, you know things with 2 stop lights spread apart on the back end.

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DaveH IA

07-15-2005 04:04:15




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
TRIUMPH??---sad but true.when you ride a bike you have to think for every one around you.--by the way I have a 74 Norton 850 comando I bought new.



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MMB

07-14-2005 21:28:03




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to Farmerboybill, 07-14-2005 19:47:00  
Being an old motorcycle rider myself for many years, I would guess that most accidents are caused by simply travelling too fast for the situation. Most accidents happen at intersections and then often at long sweeping curves where you lose it, sort of like walking on the top of a fence, once you start to lose your balance there's nothing you can do about it. Both of these are speed related of course. In North America, a 16-year-old kid can buy himself a 130 horsepower crotch rocket, get a licence and away he goes. In Europe, they make anyone go through a graduated series of licences limiting bike size and power which makes sense. Would I like my kids to get a motorcycle, no way! Once they have a minimum of 10 years of driving in traffic in a car or truck, only then do I think anyone is even close to ready to drive a bike. Country roads and cow pastures are one thing, highway and city driving are another.

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dhermesc

07-15-2005 08:56:32




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to MMB, 07-14-2005 21:28:03  
It isn't just the 16-year-old kids.

Think of the absolute dumbest, most hair brained, person you know, more likely then not he's got a license. I remember my wife working as a check out girl out a grocery store, one old lady was so blind that she couldn't see the door handles on her car, she'd fell along the side of her car with her cane trying to find them, once she even climbed into the back seat thinking it was the drivers seat!

Far as I'm concerned every person getting their license renewed should be required to take the same test they give to suspected drunks, know their ABCs, walk a straight line heel to toe, stand with their arms out stretched and tilt their head back then touch their nose. All these are used to see if a driver is impaired - doesn't matter if its from alcohol, age, or stupidity, if the test determines you impaired you don't drive.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

07-15-2005 15:33:42




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 Re: OT: Ride a Cycle? Be careful!! in reply to dhermesc, 07-15-2005 08:56:32  
Some advice::: When you think it can't happen to you. Sell It. I found it out the hard way.



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