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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 04:46:45




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Mornin' All,

Oh, oh. I was trying to be clever and took a very wrong turn, me thinks. :>)

What is the metric size bolt that is 'just smaller than' a 1/4" inch? Is it 8 mm?

Anyway, while I'm waiting on the hay to dry, I decide to R&R the sheer bolt assy from my baler and drill 'er out so that I can just use plain old 1/4" bolts instead of the New Holland packaged sheer bolts.

Wrong. Ya don't drill this stuff; it must be case hardened, 'cause even on the drill press, I can't touch it and have been thru 5 drill bits.

Dumb me. Gotta go buy a bunch of bolts from the local tractor outlet before I can get to the field this morning. New Holland dealer is toooo far away. :>(

Allan

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Don-Wi

07-10-2005 21:06:55




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
I'm more worried about that sprocket that's on the other side. Looks like the chain is worn out and stretched. At the very least, replace the chain if you havn't already, that'll delay the inevitable of replacing the sprocket. If it's a steel sprocket, that isn't too big of a deal, atleast not for me. I work at a machine shop that makes new sprockets for AGCO(Massey,Heston, NI,etc. etc.), Meyer's, Gruett's, Miller(Badger), and also gears for Articat. I replace sprockets for farmer's all the time, if it's a special hub we cut the sprocket off and weld on a new one. Could also be done to a cast sprocket, just use a NiCad rod to weld it on....
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Allan in NE

07-11-2005 03:33:02




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Don-Wi, 07-10-2005 21:06:55  
Hi Don,

Yep, she is worn out, but it is not a driven sproket but rather one of those double chain coupler slip clutch drives.

I just put it back together to finish up the season and this winter I'll have to replace that hub.

Allan



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DL

07-10-2005 14:01:42




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
Hey Allan,
Should be able to drill that stuff with a cobalt (or solid carbide as a last resort... they're really brittle) drill bit... we drill hard stuff at work all the time... right tool, right RPM, no problem! Concerning the comment from the previous post, (about the grade 5 bolt being too hard & taking out a gear box)... just make sure the bolts you use for shear are the cheap ole ungraded kind ya buy by the pound at the farm & ranch... they'll work fine! Good Luck!
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the tractor vet

07-10-2005 08:34:35




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
Now that is something that you don't want to do as if something happens it will be more than a shear bolt that need to be replaced as we have already been there and done that as i have done that many years ago and i used tap majic and slow speed and got wright thru but it only cost us a gear box as the 1/4 grade five was way to hard and the gear box was way to soft and the plunger was way to weak.

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T_Bone

07-10-2005 08:23:02




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
Hi Allan,

Get a copper clad carbon rod from any welding supply. Peal back the copper about 3/4" then sharpen to a point just smaller than the existing hole diameter then apply 6v or 12v battery power to the carbon rod then wait until the metal becomes cheery red then stop the current flow and let cool slowly.

This will soften the steel so it can be drilled with a normal HSS drill bit. You may have to repeat the procedure several times until the hole is completed.

Break/make the connection at the battery so you don't leave a piece of carbon on the hole to be drilled. Also the carbon rods come in different diameters.

You can also use a DC welding machine using DCEN at about 100a but watch that you don't exceed the machines duty cycle rating.

T_Bone

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Alberta Mike

07-10-2005 08:44:16




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to T_Bone, 07-10-2005 08:23:02  
Hey TB, ever hear of this? It's a tip I read about in a farm magazine from the 30's and it is a tip for flame welding cast iron. The article said to take a section of an old, used cast iron piston ring and wrap it with copper wire, then use it as the brazing rod to make the weld. Any idea what the sopper is for?



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T_Bone

07-10-2005 10:01:22




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Alberta Mike, 07-10-2005 08:44:16  
Hi Mike,

Nope never heard of that but it sounds like solid advice.

Brass is Zinc & copper mix, typical 60%Cu/40%Zn, and makes a good filler for most castiron welding.

Probably the ring also contains a sufficent zinc content and so when mixed with the copper the finished weld would be a grade of brass.

Them boys were always thinking back then and didn't run to the store every time they needed something.

I have a refference book written in 1540, that explains very easy ways of mixing/seperating your own metals as well as making your own acid, Sulfuric & Nitric, etc, from "soil" to making rockets with flames of all colors plus a whole bunch of other "useful" info long forgotten.

T_Bone

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mark

07-10-2005 19:16:39




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to T_Bone, 07-10-2005 10:01:22  
T-Bone,

how much would have to pay to get a copy of that ancient tome you have? I'd love to read it.



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geok

07-10-2005 07:39:56




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
If you need to drill it out, try a masonary drill bit and use oil. I generally use used motor oil for drilling and some lathe work.



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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 08:06:50




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to geok, 07-10-2005 07:39:56  
Hi George,

Already tried that..no go, just wont' touch it. Sooooo, now the stores don't open 'til noon.

I'm throwin' 'er back together and will run on those darned bent over and chopped off corral nails I been using' for the past week. :>)

Allan



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Indydirtfarmer

07-10-2005 08:27:20




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 08:06:50  
Isn't that what's O.E.M.?????

I've been out in the shop, pounding out rivets from a sickel bar I bought yesterday. (New Holland #451, 7') Sold my old one a few summers back. MISTAKE!!!! They're kinda indespensable around pond banks and ditches.....

I do know one thing for certain..... Whoever invented bolts for replacing sections sure has my vote for king.....



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Roger P

07-10-2005 05:42:19




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
25mm to the inch/2.5cm to the inch, just think in one"s, ten"s,hundred"s,thousand"s for metric, its a lot easier than the alternative.



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txgrn

07-10-2005 05:35:15




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
You're featured you know. As soon as I opened the site and went to the featured articles I read the title and knew it was you....Sur nuf. Grin.

Mark



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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 05:42:17




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to txgrn, 07-10-2005 05:35:15  
Yeah,

I'm featured all right. Today's "Dumb-Arss" award. :>)

Hay is awaitin' and I'm tryin' to modify the goofy baler. Shoulda been in the field two hours ago. Now, I sit here and wait 'til the store opens.

What an idiot! 'Spose they'll lock me up one day. :>(

Allan



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sawtooth

07-10-2005 07:21:48




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 05:42:17  
Sit and wait 2 hours? This sounds like a time to improvise, "whatever fits" use it- the duct tape mentality. BTW, when it comes to metric, I think of (just under) .040 as one m.m. 6 x 40 equals .240 or just under .25 (1/4").



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txgrn

07-10-2005 06:56:14




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 05:42:17  
But at least you are giving it a go. What's that old sayin about trying and failing (temporarily) vs never having tried in the first place.

Good luck,

Mark



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Jerry L/AZ

07-10-2005 05:22:16




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 O.T. in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
Allen there is a IH 806 with cab on E-Bay #7529773198 located at Randolf Nebr 12 bids 9 days 8 hrs. left on auction so far 1,375.00 Have a good day, can't help on the bolt hole Jer



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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 05:28:31




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 Re: O.T. in reply to Jerry L/AZ, 07-10-2005 05:22:16  
Bless you heart Jer,

Yes, Harley called me on that one from MO yesterday.

But, I think I'd better stay with at least a 66 series or newer. I was never around any of those 06 types and would rather stay with something I'm more familiar with.

Plus, I'm really hoping this "tractor want" will eventually pass, if given enough time. :>)

Thanks fer thinking of me,

Allan



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Larry806

07-10-2005 08:08:47




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 Hey Allan in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 05:28:31  
You should look at the Ohh 6 If you had one the 9 would get moved down to second tractor. That 8 will do more on less fuel. IH never made a more dependable tractor than the 806. Neighbor had a 966 & we worked together a lot. I could plow more acres a day than he could and do it on just over 1/2 the fuel he used



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Coloken

07-10-2005 04:58:53




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
Allan, Allan, you knew, you just forgot. they call it "work hardened". Any thing that is pounded or worked, even a drill hole where the drill quits and sits and spinnes. Hardest thing I ever tried to drill was the cast/forged shifter assenble fron my Case tractor. Carbide would not even scratch it. 8 mm Mauser rifle is about .32 7 mm is .280 6mm is a 243 think a 22 is 5.4--not sure of that one

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Galen

07-10-2005 06:01:42




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Coloken, 07-10-2005 04:58:53  
5.56 mm is 243. Same ammo for M-16 and 243. Good varmit rife.



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DL

07-10-2005 14:11:10




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Galen, 07-10-2005 06:01:42  
...close... M-16 ammo is 5.56mm / .223" that's why it's a good varminter around here, but not allowed for big game... it's considered a 22 caliber!
Regards, DL



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Galen

07-10-2005 15:19:11




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to DL, 07-10-2005 14:11:10  
Yeah - read on down..... .



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Harley

07-10-2005 07:27:17




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Galen, 07-10-2005 06:01:42  
Was very good on gooks too, but ya had ta be there. Now the politically police are gonna get me, just watch. Harley



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Galen

07-10-2005 08:04:50




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Harley, 07-10-2005 07:27:17  
Yeah - but one spec of sand or some mud and the plastic baby turned to junk! Wasn't in "Nam, but Beruit and Grenada - USMC 1980-1988



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Coloken

07-10-2005 06:36:33




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 again in reply to Galen, 07-10-2005 06:01:42  
Best run that one thrugh again...don't think you mean 243 (243 Win, 6mm Rem.)..... how abot 223? Yea, its eary in the morning. Have a good day, Kennyp



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Galen

07-10-2005 07:05:43




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 Re: again in reply to Coloken, 07-10-2005 06:36:33  
Yeah your right 223! Tack it up to tired fat fingers! Shoulda got out the rifle and looked - 223 Remington.



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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 05:03:55




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Coloken, 07-10-2005 04:58:53  
Aw ha,

6mm must be the rascal then. Tryin' to save myself some grief down the road and caused more. Typical Allan operation. :>)

Allan



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Dieselrider

07-10-2005 04:55:09




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 04:46:45  
Can you get regular metric bolts from a local hardware store? Might be cheaper in the long run.



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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 05:05:43




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Dieselrider, 07-10-2005 04:55:09  
Yes Sir,

That's what I'm planning on doing. Buy a handful of bolts with locking nuts.

Thanks,

Allan



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Harley

07-10-2005 07:30:31




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Allan in NE, 07-10-2005 05:05:43  
Get the grade 8 bolts if you can, and the first chance, get the right size pins, bolts, etc, cause they are harder than a carriage bolt, etc, and this old girl of mine eats them, but you have live pto and I pull mine with an M. Harley



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Allan in NE

07-10-2005 08:09:06




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 Re: My Own Worst Enemy in reply to Harley, 07-10-2005 07:30:31  
Yeah,

The manual says never shut off the PTO, which I knew anyways.

Just thought I'd save myself a little trouble, but it backfired on me. :>)

Allan



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