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Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil

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Robert E. Smith

07-09-2005 20:27:44




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Went and bought oil the other day to change the oil in my 6.0 liter Chevy truck, being old school I just grabed good old 10W-40 motor oil and came home and drained the oil changed the filter, put the plug back in and went to put the oil in!
That's when I noticed the 5W-30 molded into the oil filler cap!
I guess my question is? Can I run 10w-40 in this motor or do I need to use the 5W-30?
I was raised that you run 10W-40 in the summer 10W-30 in the winter!
Why would you want to run such a thin 5W oil?
Just don't seem right to me!
Have only owned this truck for a couple of months so this is the first oil change I've had to do on it, My last truck was a 92' 454 and it ran 10w oil.
Man the times are a changin! Guess this old Dog needs to learn some new tricks!
Thanks Bob Smith

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Robert E. Smith

07-10-2005 06:50:55




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
Well Thanks Guy's
I guess I'll stick to the 5W-30 like Chevy say's!
Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks Huh?
Thanks for your help and advice!
Sure do miss the old days when if you were gettin gas! gettin spark! were in time! and had oil in it It would run!
Guess that's one of the many reasons I like old tractors!



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T_Bone

07-10-2005 08:33:33




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-10-2005 06:50:55  
Hi Robert,

Another consideration is the heavier weight oil will use more fuel than the correct weight of oil. Apparently this effect can be seen more on engines requiring 0w20 or 5w20 oil when comparred to using 10w30 in the same engine.

According to Ford, using a heavier weight oil will cause less oil pressure than a lighter weight oil on a newer hydraulic system. This was talking about the hydraulic pressure required to fire the injectors on the diesel engine.

T_Bone

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lucasss

07-10-2005 05:43:56




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
first off,, if you can show me any new car maker that reccomends 10w40 ill come over and cut your grass for free.. if you look at the oil pump pickup tube and screen on cars spec'd for 5w30 youll find a much smaller screen grid. i dont think the oil pump can pull as much of the thicker oils thru those finer screens. lucas



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Way Up Here

07-10-2005 04:10:05




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
I'm no petroleum engineer but I think that there is a bit of a misconception about multi-grade oils and their "thickness". As mentioned below, someone said that say 5-30 oil has the "thickness" of a 30 weight oil (or the "thinness of a 5 weight oil) under certain conditions. I think that should read the "lubricating properties of" instead of the "thickness of". One thing I know for sure having lived in this cold part of the country where winter temperatures sometimes drop below minus 30 is that any multigrade (say 10W30) is MUCH thicker (I think the word viscosity comes in here somewhere) in cold temperatures than say straight 10 oil, there's no comparison. I used to run straight 10 weight motor oil in my Volkswagens back in the 60's and 70's when I had no block heater plug in at work, they wouldn't start otherwise.

Moving on to your question, another thing I have experienced is that even older cars (both my car and truck are 1987 vintage dinosaurs), 5W30 engine oil gives me less oil consumption than 10W30 oil in both winter and summer. Why I'm not sure but I do know it happens. In my old tractors, I use 10W30 but only use them in the summer months and I'd probably still use 10W30 in the winter too, somehow I think that would still be best but I'm not sure.

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Leland

07-09-2005 21:39:05




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
The sad fact is that using 10w-40 will wear out your engine faster belive it or not ,the 10w40 oil has larger molacues and with tighter bearing clearances today they will not get enough oil . And running 5w30 will also get you better milage to boot I have been running 5w30 for several years in the same motor and have had no problems and it starts easier on cold mornings to



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buickanddeere

07-10-2005 07:00:42




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Leland, 07-09-2005 21:39:05  
Correct.

Bearing design loading and clearances are built around the intended oil. Thin oil for easier starts with smaller/lighter electrical systems. The thinner oil reduces internal engine windage and pumping losses = less pollution and better mileage. The early death of many small engines, particularly the splash lubricated models. Is directly due to the owner purchasing either what oil was on sale. Or using what Bubba down at the diner said to use. Like it or not, follow the operators manual. At temps below freezing a quality synthetic like Amsoil or Mobile 1 provides supperior lubrication. Other brands of synthetics are not 100% true synthetics and fall far short in performance.

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hay

07-10-2005 04:16:04




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Leland, 07-09-2005 21:39:05  
i have used 10w-40 in all my gasoline engines for the last 30 years and not a bit of problem yet. my current chevy truck has over 180,000 miles and all of it on 10w-40. i DO NOT believe that 10w-40 will wear out an engine any faster than any other grade of oil, multi-grade or not!



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buickanddeere

07-10-2005 11:01:14




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to hay, 07-10-2005 04:16:04  
You are talking the difference between 5 & 10 weights of muilti viscosity oils. That isn't enough difference to score the lawn mower's rod to the crank in 5 minutes. As for 10W40 instead of 5W30? Any reason to have it your way instead of the manufacture's way? The oil costs the same. I'm talking somebody using 20W50 instead of 5W30 during freezing weather in a modern vehicle or small engine. Worse yet straight 40,50 or 60 weight in cold weather and no pre-warming before loading. On cold starts lubrication is limited and is insufficient to form an oil wedge. The time duration of operation without separating those moving metal parts is up to you. Small bearing journal dia and small clearances require thin oil, plain and simple. A larger sized, older design , well worn engine needs thicker oil to fill those large clearances. More isn't always better.

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hay

07-10-2005 12:56:01




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to buickanddeere, 07-10-2005 11:01:14  
i started using 10W-40 back in the late 1960's and just kept with it ever since. prior to that i was using straight 30 and never had a problem with it either. of course the engines built back in that era did not run as hot and may not have had tolerances as close as today's engines.



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toolman

07-09-2005 21:23:28




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
i run 10w-30 in my 5.7 litre last summer, first summer i owned it , it had always had 5w-30 in it, i changed it out in the fall put 5w-30 in for the winter then again this spring i changed it again i had oil leaks that weren,t there before, i guess because of the high milage and the heavier oil i must of caused some seal and gaskets to start leaking ,engine was spotless before , yup live n learn, go with what they tell you i guess.

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Coloken

07-09-2005 21:13:04




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
5W-30 is not a - quote: "thin 5 weight oil". It is as thick as 30 weight when hot. You can run any thing you want in it, but the people that built it should know the best. Yes, times have changed. Many newer engines have tighter cleareaces than we used to do.



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twopop

07-09-2005 21:07:27




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 Re: Off Topic question about 5W-30 Engine Oil in reply to Robert E. Smith, 07-09-2005 20:27:44  
chevy has been using 5w-30 for several years now.it has to do with closer tolerances.you should stay with what is spec'd thicker oil is supposed to cause less fuel milage.



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