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Vince H

06-23-2005 09:56:58

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I am starting to look for a new tractor, but am fairly new to tractors. I have two A-C B's that are great for the lighter stuff, but I have come to the conclussion that I need something with more power. I am looking to be able to pull a 2 or 3 bottom plow, a small square baler (something along the lines of a 14T), hopefully in the not so distant future a mower/conditioner or a disk mower. I figure I should be looking around 35-45 hp to be able to run this equipment. The farm I own is only about 15-20 acres of field, but it is fairly hilly and rather steep in some area. I would appreciate any help as to what tractors would fit the bill for the work I want to do. I have no personal preference as to brand's, but the wife has some weird disdain for green equipment so I should probably try to appease her. But if a green tractor fits the best and has the best price she just doesn't have to drive it.

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Hurst

06-23-2005 20:16:54

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

You may want to look into either a 170 or 175 allis. Those tractors were pretty well built from what I have heard and can be had easily for less than 5,000 in working condition. They have live PTO through the power director, not independent, but the power director is great for square baling. Good luck.

Hurst

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3 cyl

06-23-2005 19:59:35

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

Vince,
I've been using a New Holland Tn 70 to grow hay on my hilly 15 acres. I'm moving up to about 100 acres and would like to have a larger machine.
My tractor should work well for you and its a 2002 model with about 625 hrs, so it should be trouble free for many years. If you are interested, let me know.
3 cyl

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Jeff Oliver

06-23-2005 19:49:49

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

gonna throw a few ideas in here too. If your looking at a disc mower get at least 60 HP and a bigger size tractor. You have aready said your in hilly ground and those mowers are heavy or at least the ones we have are. We have a BushHog and a JD ( Kuhn) and on our tractors (JD 6300 and 6210) you know well when you raise the bar up. Depending on how much you want to spend or how new or old a tractor you want I would even go up to the Oliver 4 digit series. At least an 880 or so for the weight.

806 Farmall or something in those lines work good, AC D-19 or in three digit series were good tractors with power. John Deere 10 nd 20 series are good and if you like the pop of a deere we have a 630 that would have enough power and weight to do what you want so something in that line would be a good one. The one good thing about a Deere or IH is dealer support. If the dealer can't get the parts ( which is rare) Then more than likly there is an aftermarket company that does. Ford is the same, I am learning that there are several things not avaiable for the early 4 digit Olivers (going through a 1800B now.

Hope this helps

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Mike M

06-23-2005 16:54:23

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

You are talking hills and steep. I don't know what price range you are in ,but I would surely want to go with a 4x4 tractor once you have ran one on hills you won't go back to 2wd.

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THEkyroastnear

06-23-2005 14:52:09

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

the massey 35 is agood all around tract. ford 3000-4000 series wide front oliver 770 allis D-17 with three point farmall656 nearly all have good points&bad too think about access to parts

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Galen

06-23-2005 15:46:54

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to THEkyroastnear, 06-23-2005 14:52:09

All good suggestions - just stay away from the Korean "yuppie" tractors.

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Jim.UT

06-23-2005 12:55:17

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

A couple of guys have recommended Ford 801 series, but let me get more specific. The 800 and 801 series Fords came with several different transmissions and/or pto arrangements. If you decide to go the Ford route, be sure to get an 860 or 861. Those will have a 5 speed transmission, dual clutch and live pto. You'll be enjoying life much more with live pto when operating a baler.

You might also look to the Ford 4000 built from the late sixties well into the seventies. I've never heard anyone complain about the 3 cylinder Perkins diesel used in that machine.

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Rod F.

06-23-2005 14:41:17

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Jim.UT, 06-23-2005 12:55:17

Now Jim..... It's my turn to be a smart as*. The 4000 was the best tractor Ford ever built.... but the heart came from Basildon. That 3 banger was a blue oval, 201 cid all the way. PERKINS!!!!!argggg. On a more serious note, with respect to the original post, I would be careful of hp. Especially if you intend to get a disc mower or a discbine. I would suggest no less than 60 PTO hp for either. Small mounted disc mowers will work on mabey a 40+ hp 3 cylinder like a 3000 Ford or better, but I don't think I would want to try that combo with an 860 or 861. The tractor is too light, and I wouldn't have a lot of confidence in that old 4 cylinder to take much crap from a disc mower. The 3 was a far better lugger. If a disc mower in not on the list, then there have been many fine suggestions made. The later (post '68) Ford 4000 would be the top of my list. Take care, and have fun!

Rod

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Jim.UT

06-23-2005 15:24:19

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Rod F., 06-23-2005 14:41:17

Thanks for the correction. I'm not super-familiar with the post-'68 Fords. I thought I read they used Perkins engines. Wrong huh? Learn something here everyday. Thanks again.

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Rod F.

06-23-2005 19:17:30

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Jim.UT, 06-23-2005 15:24:19

Hi Jim,

I'm just in a picky mood today. Actually, most all the Ford's past '65 had Ford engines. There were exceptions for certain markets, but Ford mostly designed and built their own engines. I think they used a local built Perkins in some of the tractors sold in Africa, or mabey some South American countries. I can't remember which, but I read that somewhere too. Perkins bad word. Have a good day!

Rod

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Fred Zelch

06-23-2005 11:57:18

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

Might want to consider the equipment dealerships in your area; who you prefer to do business with; who has the best track record for support and honesty. I can get along with several different makes of tractors and equipment, but at some point I am going to need parts, repairs, or field service. I hope my dealer will support my request and not cost me an arm and a leg.

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S. Jewell

06-23-2005 11:14:47

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

You didn't say if you prefered gas or diesel. Case 830's are pretty cheap and not green, stay away from Case-o-matic... can be problems if not maintained well.

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Illinois Boy

06-23-2005 10:31:35

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

Farmall 666 or 806 - you can't go wrong there.
And - they're the right color...

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old

06-23-2005 10:25:47

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

Good number of tractors fit that bill. Ford 801s, Oliver 77 or 88 with a wide front end, Allis D-15 or D 17, JD-60 or 70. I just came in from mowing hay with a NH 460 moco and was pulling it with an Oliver 77. The 77 also works good on the 14-T baler

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Rods8n

06-23-2005 10:06:55

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

My wife works for CAT so green CAN NOT be seen at my house LOL. Well I would say to look for a Ford something like a 610 or such. Little more Power than you would need but POWER is a good thing. Good Luck

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Stan(PA)

06-23-2005 10:01:43

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Vince H, 06-23-2005 09:56:58

Ford 801 series. Bonus....it ain"t green!

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Delbert from Lincoln

06-23-2005 10:37:15

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Stan(PA), 06-23-2005 10:01:43

You might consider a MF-65 or MF-165. The Massey Fergusons are generally a little cheaper then Ford, John Deere or Farmall. In my opinion they are a mighty fine tractor. Would handle a 3 bottom plow in just about any condtions, 10ft tamden disk, be just fine on a baler. No green either, gray and red.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

06-23-2005 14:56:01

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 06-23-2005 10:37:15

What ever make you settle on I would make sure it has a wide front. Hills and trycicle are not fun to work with on hills. Just my opinion.

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Delbert from Lincoln

06-23-2005 16:48:55

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Re: Looking for a new tractor in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 06-23-2005 14:56:01

I"m going to make one more comment. I"d look for a tractor with a convential clutch and gear shift, and leave the powershifts, torque ampfires, select o matic, speed o matics and whatever other names they have alone. Like the transmission in an old used car, they are often the reason the previous owner has gotten rid of the beast. They can be expensive to fix, quite beyond the abilites of the average shade tree mechanic. Most anybody with help from a buddy can replace a clutch in a straight shift. Just my thoughts.

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