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Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils

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Ol Chief

06-06-2005 19:57:27




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I'd like your opinions.Am considering starting a service to recondition trans. and hydraulic oils.I am a former marine engineer w/ lots of years of experience in centrifuge operation removing water and contaminants from different fluids.Ships have very large power plants with engines that often have as much as 6,ooo gallons of lube oil in constant circulation.It is very important to keep this oil free of water and dirt.To accomplish this centrifuges are in use usually around the clock.The steam turbines operate at around 6,000 to 8,000 rpm and propellor shaft speed is approx.100 to 120 rpm.This requires a huge set of reduction gears with a main bull gear about 20 feet in diameter in a constant oil bath.I have made these statements only to give an idea of the necessity of maintaining perfect oil condition by use of centrifuges.I am considering starting an oil cleanup service for farmers and contractors to hopefully save them money on oil changes and believe this can save at least 50% and more on changes plus lots on repairs.Marine centrifuge machines typically operate at 8,000 RPM and particle matter is collected in a spinning bowl while water is separated from oils and is disposed of.I wont go into details of this.The finished oil is then as perfect as new unless acids are present which can also be tested an dealt with.I am asking for opinions.Do you fellows think this venture has merit?

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dej(JED)

06-07-2005 09:52:10




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol Chief, 06-06-2005 19:57:27  
Hello... I run a testing lab . We test fuels and lubes daily. There are a lot of people who clean their oil with a variety of equipment. The centrifudge is used primarily in the steel mills. There are several things that need to be replaced in used oils and you will need to know how much and what to add. This testing is called tribology or predictive and preventative maintance. Good luck, but between setup cost, testing, additives and hazardous waste disposal, you are going to have your hands full. There is a company called Safety Clean who does exactly what you are thinking about. As a matter of fact I think they are still recovering from a Chapter 11 scenario.

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FredOH

06-07-2005 08:11:53




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol Chief, 06-06-2005 19:57:27  
Wasn"t it someone on this board that was reclaiming oil by building a stovepipe looking container filled with toilet tissue and a valve at the bottom and after the oil filtered thru the tissue it came out new looking at the bottom? Curosity has got me wondering what this process would add or remove from engine type oil. Anybody know? Also there was a fellow that had a method of telling when his oil needed changing by letting a drop from the dipstick drop on a paper towel or such and (I think) depending on how far it spread out was the clue to it"s condition. Forgetful minds want to know (again). Fred OH

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Rod F.

06-07-2005 09:32:44




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to FredOH, 06-07-2005 08:11:53  
I respect that you have an interesting idea. That said, there are other considerations to oil besides removing contaminants. Water is seldom a problem in tractors that are used every day, and changes done on schedule. There is always some acid build up in engine oils. That needs to be removed. The other major consideration I would have regards the condition of the oil's additive package. Modern oils (both engine and hytran) rely heavily on additives to provide their protection, and they do deplete and wear out over time. Simply cleaning the oil is not enough without restoring the additives. I'm surprised that nobody else has brought this up. Again, I respect the idea of recyleing, but the cost has to be in line with new oil, and the quality has to be in line with new oil. It simply costs too much to cheap out on oil. For what it's worth...

Rod

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buickanddeere

06-07-2005 05:21:56




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol Chief, 06-06-2005 19:57:27  
Excellent idea but it's something new and different for old farmers to try.Old farmers don't try anything new. Oil contamination with lube oils not compatable with wet clutch packs will earn you lawsuits.



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Redmud

06-07-2005 04:55:27




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol Chief, 06-06-2005 19:57:27  
Chief, I worked at a service station in the 50's and 60's. A truck would come around now and then, and pickup all the used oil in town. The oil went to a refinery and was re-refined and labeled as such. we would have a few cases'of it on hand, but it didn't move very fast. The only people that would buy it, was the ones that had the clunkers that got ten miles or less to the quart.
My opinion is, it will be an up hill battle to get folks with hi dollar equipment to use this service. And before you put down the big bucks, don't ignore your gut feeling, it will be really loud.

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Leland

06-06-2005 22:57:19




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol Chief, 06-06-2005 19:57:27  
Between the EPA permits insurance labor costs and the other hurdles you will have to climb over you would be better off starting a plant instead of a mobil operation , bacause nobody has the time to seperate all these different fluids and 99% they don't you need to be able to rerefine this oil into something cheap which is what most of the cheap oil in dallor stores is for .70 per qt.



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Ernie Bob

06-06-2005 22:55:15




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol Chief, 06-06-2005 19:57:27  
Hey Ol Chief,

I think this is a very good idea, I'm all for recycling. Anything that can help relieve the good old USA's dependency on the Mid East for oil is great. I would use cleaned & tested oil.

Thanks!
Ernie Bob



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mark

06-07-2005 08:37:48




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ernie Bob, 06-06-2005 22:55:15  
I know a man who has been recycling all of his motor oil for years, never loses a drop. He burns every bit of it through his diesel Ford Backhoe! I could never bring myself to pour used motor oil in my fresh diesel fuel, but he has for many years and evidently with no ill results. On one hand, if the oil is fit to lubricate the guts of the engine, it should be fit for burning. Then again, any little bits of crud or water that go through the injectors and pump can be very bad.

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Ol CHIEF

06-07-2005 07:23:11




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ernie Bob, 06-06-2005 22:55:15  
I believe a few respondents may have misunderstood or I failed to properly explain my intention.This is not a proposal to mix up or reprocess and comingle a whole group of oils.Each batch of oils brought to my shop would would be centrifuged on an individual basis and returned to its individual owner in clean water free condition without having been re-refined.I own sixteen tractors. Most of which are used from time to time.Almost every one of them has emulsified oil in their systems.It drives me nuts knowing this and not having a way to deal with this except to change oils.Lots of waste and lost money.I have no idea how many folks have cleaned out the bottom of a transmission case,but I can tell you that there is a lot more junk in there than can be imagined.Of course if I go thru with this idea it would be necessary it require a minimum quantity of say 20 or more gallons to make this practical.Thanks for any input.Ol Chief

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Leland

06-07-2005 08:51:31




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 Re: Reclaiming hyraulic and or transmission oils in reply to Ol CHIEF, 06-07-2005 07:23:11  
Chief most people would rather buy new bacause by the time you drain the old stuff put it in seperate containers and pay to haul it somewhere to be cleaned it's cheaper to go buy new oil in a barrel or bucket and how much per gallon are you going to charge to clean this old oil ? After all if you make a mistake and send out bad oil do you realize what it would cost to rebuild a newer tractors trans?

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